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    The deaf man following the blind man?

    100 posts and 0 facts.

    But from my experience benchmarking 30+ cards:

    1. There is N0 standard. Nadda. None. WHQL ensures your Start popup menu is rendered correctly.. not Crysis. Sharper = better!? Assuming game developer intended maximum sharpness blur on everything?

    2. 10 years since Q3. Hundreds of games. Actual performance cheats (ie 3Dmark) confirmed < 5. Driver rendering bugs people notice < 100. Actual game rendering bugs > 99999.

    3. Can't just do per-pixel comparison between nVidia, Intel and AMD. Which are you assuming is the golden reference? BIAS hmm? They all use different AF algorithms. Likewise, pixel differences in new drivers doesn't mean cheating either - what if it was fix for graphics glitch you didn't notice?

    4. For the most part, the 3DMark AF and other artificial AF tests are meaningless. They are detected (not just exe name). And behavior even with same game engine is different.

    Lets say a game developer tests code on their nVidia rig. Rendering looks ok. They ship it. But, it was using a driver bug. If nVidia fixes it, rendering is not like intended. Should AMD "break" their driver to emulate intended rendering? What do you do when game patch comes out - do patch version detection in driver?

    Bottom line:
    3D rendering is the wild west. You think programming "hello world" is too different in COBOL, Java and Python!? Video drivers are expected to work perfectly with 10000+ games running in DX9, DX10, DX11, OGL and dozens of OS versions, not to mention all the video and GPGPU extensions, and each hardware generation works differently!

    If a few pixels are darker than before, use the older driver, and cut them some slack.

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    EDIT: Statement like "this game is optimized for x" are total BS. What does that mean? For 3 years nVidia/AMD did nothing to fix rendering or improve performance? Quite insulting. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but virtually ALL games, even Start menu and mouse cursor are "optimized".
    Last edited by ***Deimos***; 04-05-2010 at 06:19 AM.

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