ati cheating in crysis benchmark?

[RaZz!]

saaya, i said it many times in the past and still think you jump to conclusions way too quickly. you could have atleast put a question mark at the end of the topic. otherwise it's just misleading. pcgh nowhere mentions they accuse ati of cheating. they just observed the deficit in AF and found it to be worth mentioning. nothing more.

i really think the days of driver optimization cheating are over tbh. there are way too many people checking such things today so that both companies, ati as well as nvidia, probably wouldn't risk to cheat anymore.

and i'm by no means an ati fanboy or smth...

[h0bbes]

saaya, i said it many times in the past and still think you jump to conclusions way too quickly. you could have atleast put a question mark at the end of the topic. otherwise it's just misleading.

[saaya]

saaya, i said it many times in the past and still think you jump to conclusions way too quickly. you could have atleast put a question mark at the end of the topic. otherwise it's just misleading. pcgh nowhere mentions they accuse ati of cheating. they just observed the deficit in AF and found it to be worth mentioning. nothing more.

i really think the days of driver optimization cheating are over tbh. there are way too many people checking such things today so that both companies, ati as well as nvidia, probably wouldn't risk to cheat anymore.

and i'm by no means an ati fanboy or smth...

fair enough, i didnt mean that pcgh claims that, let me remove pcgh from the title and add a ?

and with the little time reviewers have to test the cards these days you really think they have enough time to hunt for optimizations and cheats in games and benchmarks? i doubt it... thats extremely time consuming... unless its something obvious, most optimizations/cheats dont get noticed...

Do you really think either nvidia or ati are stupid enough to do this for real when people pour over everything these days for signs of cheating? The reward:risk ratio just isn't there.

yes, and no the risk is only high if you make it too obvious, like in this case. then again, you might argue that a cheat that people dont notice isnt a cheat but an optimization as the image quality difference is obviously not noticeable to 99% of the users. i worked for amd when they merged with ati, and was told that there are a lot of "tweaks" that lower iq but youd never notice it unless you knew where to look... those same people told me if people dont notice it, but it gives them a more stable fps and better gameplay, hows that a bad thing? fair enough... but there was a huge debate about this a long time ago and thats when ati introduced catalyst AI, which supposedly disables all optimizations. that was a great move... unfortunately ati didnt stick to it...

Honestly saaya, sometimes you're a drama queen, I often catch myself checking your avatar looking for a feather boa instead of a tie.

its dozens of people like you in this thread turning it into drama... theres no drama in pcghs article and what exactly is the "drama" in my post?

There has been a difference in the texture filtering methods of ati and nvidia for quite some time.What's the big deal now?

ati notably reduced the filtering quality in crysis?
that alone is annoying, the fact that you cant change it back to normal and disable the optimizations is very lame and for the first time in a while im actually glad to be on an nvidia card opposed to feeling bad about it for indirectly supporting physix

You seem to have periodical troubles with ati filtering, what gives?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=235029

lol, you got me, im paid nvidia pr staff

The sad part is, that is basically true.

nvidia cheating in drivers causes forum threads with dozens of complains and people making a big deal out of it, but ati cheating doesnt? then how come theres a 5 page thread here within 2 days with tons of people making a big deal out of it and making it a huge drama? dont you guys realize that both nvidia and ati are bending us over if we dont tell them off? instead everybody gets lost in a red vs green debate while both ati and nvidia continue lowering your image quality

this thread is giant fail imho nobody tested with other drivers to see if its really optimization or not

and what difference would that make? if a cheat or optimization that lowers iq, qhatever you want to call it, only exists in one driver then its fine? its a shame that third party driver kits have dissapeared, i loved the omega drivers on my ati cards, notably better image quality and they killed ccc and brought back the original driver panel. rip omega

[rogueagent6]

its dozens of people like you in this thread turning it into drama... theres no drama in pcghs article and what exactly is the "drama" in my post?

You have a tendency to over sensationalize your news posts. Also, as already pointed out in this thread, there was NO mention of cheating in the original article.

[saaya]

You have a tendency to over sensationalize your news posts. Also, as already pointed out in this thread, there was NO mention of cheating in the original article.

oh come on man, you dont really wanna tell me its a "bug" right?
how exactly do you "accidentally" disable anisotropic filtering and then not even default to trilinear but bilinear filtering?

it reduces image quality and boost performance... and thats supposed to be a bug? give me a break!

pcgh probably doesnt call it a cheat cause they dont want the drama some people in this thread make out of it.
and because they try to stay neutral and not pss on any mfcer cause they tend to reward press by removing them from reviewers lists and press events.

so im "sensationalizing" things because i call a cheat a cheat instead of a "bug" when it clearly is a cheat? :P

[LesGrossman]

how exactly do you "accidentally" disable anisotropic filtering and then not even default to trilinear but bilinear filtering?

Are you sure? That screenshot is 90% identical between GTX480 and 5870.
And i just replayed crysis & warhead in a 40" tv and didn't notice any flickering.

How about more screenshots and comparisons?

[ElSel10]

nvidia cheating in drivers causes forum threads with dozens of complains and people making a big deal out of it, but ati cheating doesnt? then how come theres a 5 page thread here within 2 days with tons of people making a big deal out of it and making it a huge drama?

There isn't. There is a 5 page thread of people saying it isn't a big deal and is probably a bug. Some people are even saying that there isn't a difference between the two.

[Iconyu]

yes, and no the risk is only high if you make it too obvious, like in this case. then again, you might argue that a cheat that people dont notice isnt a cheat but an optimization as the image quality difference is obviously not noticeable to 99% of the users. i worked for amd when they merged with ati, and was told that there are a lot of "tweaks" that lower iq but youd never notice it unless you knew where to look... those same people told me if people dont notice it, but it gives them a more stable fps and better gameplay, hows that a bad thing? fair enough... but there was a huge debate about this a long time ago and thats when ati introduced catalyst AI, which supposedly disables all optimizations. that was a great move... unfortunately ati didnt stick to it...

Maybe so, but from 16x to bi/triliner mix is going a little far, it would be impossible to justify something like that. Also forced so you couldn't do anything about it would indicate that it wasn't that planned.

its dozens of people like you in this thread turning it into drama... theres no drama in pcghs article and what exactly is the "drama" in my post?

Let's get this straight, so there is zero confusion. Are you claiming that the 'dozens' of people saying that this isn't a big deal as it would be stupid for either company to be caught cheating are in fact the ones causing the 'drama' in this thread? Or just the 'dozens' of people that have hinted that you are a drama queen?

You do realise that just using the word 'dozens' is in fact a dramatization of the current situation, as you've deliberatly inflated the number of people who think you're a drama queen past '24' which would be the minimum number needed to to achieve 'dozens'.

I would imagine that '24' people being against you would be like the 'whole world' hating you. But don't worry, I'm pretty sure it's only about 3.

And yes, I'm being dramatic to prove a point, but this is the news forum. You can't just take info, dump it on us and make it all Fox News because you're a little excited about it. You need only look at the first five replies to the thread, and later on it's all 'If this were nvidia...' as if they didn't set the tone.

So while I agree that this isn't all your fault claiming you're innocent just won't wash.