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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
Assuming by April 12th, nVidia comes through with 10K+ availability, GTX480 is HUGE WIN for nVidia.
In some benchmarks its 30, 40 even 60% faster than 5870. I never expected 700Mhz, let alone stock HS OC to 820Mhz... WOW.
And do a double take on those DX11 and tesselation benchmarks. Certainly nobody would prefer a GTX295.
Unlike R600, FX or whatever you want to compare it to, IT IS the PERFORMANCE KING, the best GPU in history.

For the launch MSRP, nobody would deny its a WIN if it was <200W. Nobody.

But, thats the problem. Even the lowly GTX470 is a bit faster than 5870 half the time and between it and the 5850 the other half. But, its almost 100W more than 5850 and nearly 5970 numbers. Water cooling may lower temps, but its still the same ~300W going into your house.

Although 5870 is $420, and GTX470 is $350, it is VERY VERY EASY for AMD to lower price $50. On the other hand, much more difficult for nVidia to lower power by 50W (25%).
+$50 or +$50Watts, which would you choose?

Winners and losers:
Fastest GPU - GTX480
Fastest card - 5970
Best performance for 200W - 5870
Best performance for 300W - 5970
Best performance for $350 - GTX470*
*until inevidable price cuts.

My point is that nVidia's only advantage is PRICE. And their costs are much higher. So AMD can easily win here.

What reviews did you read and what are you on? I'd like some

Can't argue your points on price though, though I disagree with your "best performance for $350". I'd replace that with the 5850 even if it's priced $50-100 lower than that. The 5850 OC's to 1GHZ core easily. That's a massive ~40% OC. I'm not sure the 470 can hit speeds similar to match 1ghz in benchmarks. The 5850 can do it while running quieter, cooler, and less power too.
If you start comparing products including their overclockability you end up with stupid things like Core i7-920 better than Core i7-965 (just as an example).

If you could "group" them, would you put it:
A: G2xx, 4870/90,
B: 5850
C: 5870, GTX470*
D: GTX480, GTX295
E: 5970
F: GTX480 SLI (keep flamable objects and cats far away!)

*I placed GTX470 so high because it get lower (5850) performance in older less relevant games.

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Yes totally agree that preliminary overclocking tests show Fermi benefits more than 58xx.

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Some people MUST HAVE the BEST PERFORMANCE possible irregardless of money or whatever. GTX480 SLI is for them.

The early adopters or nVidia fans will naturally pick up some shiny GTX. Question is which one - budget decision probably.

Others have 50" HDTV which *only* does 1920x1280. They want something that plays games A, B and C smoothly.. for them a 5870 or even 5850 will more than suffice.

Those looking for best "value", should probably wait 1-2 months for price gouging and MSRP to fall.