The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[ajaidev]

Winners and losers:
Fastest GPU - GTX480
Fastest card - 5970
Best performance for 200W - 5870
Best performance for 300W - 5970
Best performance for $350 - GTX470*
*until inevidable price cuts.

My point is that nVidia's only advantage is PRICE. And their costs are much higher. So AMD can easily win here.

Performance is really interesting. At 1680 x 1050 the card flies along with it at times beating out the HD 5870. As we move up the resolution table the picture changes. Even though the card carries with it more memory, we often saw that the performance between the GTX 470 and HD 5850 became quite close at 1920 x 1200 and the HD 5850 often being able to overtake the GTX 470 at 2560 x 1600.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/32...d/index21.html

Not bad for a $280 card

[neliz]

A shame no-one has taken off the heat spreader and measured the chip yet.. I want something to go along my thermonuclear-letdown rumors.

[Newblar]

Performance is really interesting. At 1680 x 1050 the card flies along with it at times beating out the HD 5870. As we move up the resolution table the picture changes. Even though the card carries with it more memory, we often saw that the performance between the GTX 470 and HD 5850 became quite close at 1920 x 1200 and the HD 5850 often being able to overtake the GTX 470 at 2560 x 1600.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/32...d/index21.html

Not bad for a $280 card

blame the drivers...
470 should crush the 5850 at those resolutions

[ajaidev]

blame the drivers...
470 should crush the 5850 at those resolutions

They had months to prepare the drivers and generally Nvidia is the one who makes good drivers....

[H2O]

Has any site done a comparison between HD5850 CF and the GTX480? I know the CF HD5850s probably win, but by how much?

If you were planning on spending ~$500 on the GTX480 then the extra $100 for dual HD5850s is not looking so bad. The HD5850s win performance wise, run cooler, consume less power, and the CF drivers have been improving.

[-Sweeper_]

Has any site done a comparison between HD5850 CF and the GTX480? I know the CF HD5850s probably win, but by how much?

If you were planning on spending ~$500 on the GTX480 then the extra $100 for dual HD5850s is not looking so bad. The HD5850s win performance wise, run cooler, consume less power, and the CF drivers have been improving.

HD5850 cross performs pretty much the same as one HD5970

[Solus Corvus]

Has any site done a comparison between HD5850 CF and the GTX480? I know the CF HD5850s probably win, but by how much?

If you were planning on spending ~$500 on the GTX480 then the extra $100 for dual HD5850s is not looking so bad. The HD5850s win performance wise, run cooler, consume less power, and the CF drivers have been improving.

Firingsquad included 5850 CF numbers. But as Sweeper said - you can just look at the 5970 numbers in most reviews since 5970 and 5850CF are so close.

[YukonTrooper]

Performance is really interesting. At 1680 x 1050 the card flies along with it at times beating out the HD 5870. As we move up the resolution table the picture changes. Even though the card carries with it more memory, we often saw that the performance between the GTX 470 and HD 5850 became quite close at 1920 x 1200 and the HD 5850 often being able to overtake the GTX 470 at 2560 x 1600.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/32...d/index21.html

Not bad for a $280 card

From HardwareCanucks:

From a purely framerate perspective, NVIDIA’s svelte little card is simply a resounding success when compared to the HD 5850. Much like the GTX 480, the GTX 470 really stretches its legs when AA is enabled and other IQ settings are turned up in which case is outstrips the competition by a good margin. To make matters even better, the minimum framerates show it pulling even further ahead. Most people looking at this card will likely be using a 27” or smaller monitor sporting a resolution of around 1920 x 1200 and it is exactly within that range where the GTX 470 is able to put down some of its most convincing wins. Its performance in DX11 games in particular was impressive and if those results are in any way representative of what we can expect in the future, this $349 card may lead a very long life indeed.

[SoF]

Just got their new image logo

[jaredpace]

From HardwareCanucks:

You know that the HardwareCanucks site review claims gtx480 is ~23% faster than hd5870 at 1920x1200 4xAA (in the actual benchmarks), while Anand, TPU, Guru3d, PCGH, Computerbase, Hexus and many others claim ~15%. Anand and Hexus say ~11%. Most of HWC benchmarks are going to show fermi in the best light possible.

[Helloworld_98]

"In other news the Computer Component company known as nvidia is now selling Cooking goods, specifically ovens powered by their GF100 GPU. They released a statement saying "You can now convert videos and cook your food at the same time" We expect that this will soon be in infomercials, although the price tag certainly won't be friendly"

[OutSider]

Gorenje oven powered by Fermi? sounds too expensive

[Caparroz]

blame the drivers...
470 should crush the 5850 at those resolutions

Sorry, couldn't resist:

[neliz]

OH no kind sir.. it is I who couldn't resist



or the more classic version:

[Chickenfeed]

Finger prints much

Any guesses as to how long this thread will drag on for?

[ElSel10]

You know that the HardwareCanucks site review claims gtx480 is ~23% faster than hd5870 at 1920x1200 4xAA (in the actual benchmarks), while Anand, TPU, Guru3d, PCGH, Computerbase, Hexus and many others claim ~15%. Anand and Hexus say ~11%. Most of HWC benchmarks are going to show fermi in the best light possible.

How can HWC skew the results aside from making them up? I think their review is the best and most thorough. Using a 4GHz i7 920 and the very latest drivers with the latest patches.

[neliz]

Finger prints much

Any guesses as to how long this thread will drag on for?

Well.. the cards aren't actually on sale yet.. some retailers have now put up a date of May 7th (Komplett for instance) and we might see some fan and power profile adjustments that will make you feel you didn't quite get the card you bargained for.. or were led to believe...

[pentium777]

"Given that EVGA is preparing its GTX 480 Classified and ASUS is burning midnight oil to create a single-PCB Dual-Fermi board"

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news....aspx?pageid=1

Bottom of page.

[highoctane]

They had months to prepare the drivers and generally Nvidia is the one who makes good drivers....

Sure but that doesn't mean they can cover every potential issue, they probably focused more optimization for mainstream resolutions for release and it has been talked about that they are working on a fix for 2560 performance.

ATI has had millions of cards out to the public for ~6 months now and they are still working out the drivers I would say its very realistic to expect Nvidia driver improvements just the same.

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

Finger prints much

Any guesses as to how long this thread will drag on for?

[jaredpace]

How can HWC skew the results aside from making them up? I think their review is the best and most thorough. Using a 4GHz i7 920 and the very latest drivers with the latest patches.

I'm not sure, SKYMTL could tell you. Maybe it's because he didn't bench any games where the GTX480 performs poorly compared to the 5870 (crysis, cw, stalker, vantage). Here are the averages, maybe you can see why.

[YukonTrooper]

You know that the HardwareCanucks site review claims gtx480 is ~23% faster than hd5870 at 1920x1200 4xAA (in the actual benchmarks), while Anand, TPU, Guru3d, PCGH, Computerbase, Hexus and many others claim ~15%. Anand and Hexus say ~11%. Most of HWC benchmarks are going to show fermi in the best light possible.

Sorry, but I found their methodology to be the best yet. Up-to-date drivers, 4GHz i7 920, minimum framerate inclusion.

Are you accusing HardwareCanucks of falsifying data?

[NaMcO]

sorry, but i found their methodology to be the best yet. up-to-date drivers, 4ghz i7 920, minimum framerate inclusion.

Are you accusing hardwarecanucks of falsifying data?

qft

[jaredpace]

Are you accusing HardwareCanucks of falsifying data?

No. Just agreeing with the other people questioning HWC's numbers. Their review favors fermi more than the other ten review sites. The reason is, as I said in the post above yours, because he didn't bench any games where fermi performed close or less than a 5870. He also benched the game where it excells twice.

[tajoh111]

They had months to prepare the drivers and generally Nvidia is the one who makes good drivers....

AMD took 7 months to prepare a driver that finally started using the power of an architecture that is 3 years old.

Fermi has been running 4 months on a new architecture. Clearly if we compare the performance to fermi to AMD 5xxx when the cards were initially released, we would be seeing different conclusions, albeit, fermi still loses badly for performance per watt. The inconsistent performance in nvidia favoured games such as crysis and opengl games show the immaturity of the drivers.

In addition, fermi minimum frame rates are 19% better than 5xxx. Something that is substantial.