why nVidia made the same mistake with this chip as they did with the GTX 280, remember all the heat and 100c + cards that died and throttled down on people, the GTX 285 fixed it, used less power and put out less heat, i wouldnt jump on this card. nVidia is making the same mistake here and things arent looking so good for them, i dont see these cards selling much, 5850 on par or better than gtx 470 but it costs less, 5870 on par or 10-15% slower. GTX 480 is an epic fail, enless your into software which support CUDA of F@H. I would either get a 5870 now, or wait for the GTX 485 if it ever sees the light of day.