The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[annihilat0r]

Never has history seen a graphics card that can be interpreted so differently from whichever angle you look at it.

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD IT USES MORE POWER THAN 5970 BUT PERFORMS NOWHERE NEAR AND ITS ALSO 92C PLUS ITS LIKE 6 MONTHS LATE

or

WOWZERS %20 faster than 5870 on avg with AA, even better minimum FPS performance, its performance advantage rises with tessellation & DX11 so it's kinda more future proof, PhysX is a nice thing to have if nothing, new card & architecture means its performance will only go better with time and it and only %25 more expensive.

I know the power / heat issue will be a decisive backbreaker for a lot of people, but when you think about everything, I think that this launch was actually near decent. The card definitely has potential and even if buying a Fermi product might make less sense than buying a Radeon today, I feel things will get much better for Nvidia from this point.

[E30M3]

GtX 480 20-30% faster then a 5870 no fail there
Ati 6 month ahead whit drivers 20% there
thats 40-50% a GTX480 i faster when drivers mature
And the bigest fail is ATIs drivers is a fail.

[E30M3]

nice

[Caparroz]

Never has history seen a graphics card that can be interpreted so differently from whichever angle you look at it.

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD IT USES MORE POWER THAN 5970 BUT PERFORMS NOWHERE NEAR AND ITS ALSO 92C PLUS ITS LIKE 6 MONTHS LATE

or

WOWZERS %20 faster than 5870 on avg with AA, even better minimum FPS performance, its performance advantage rises with tessellation & DX11 so it's kinda more future proof, PhysX is a nice thing to have if nothing, new card & architecture means its performance will only go better with time and it and only %25 more expensive.

I know the power / heat issue will be a decisive backbreaker for a lot of people, but when you think about everything, I think that this launch was actually near decent. The card definitely has potential and even if buying a Fermi product might make less sense than buying a Radeon today, I feel things will get much better for Nvidia from this point.

True, but until someone builds a functional machine based on Einstein's theories, time has a bad habit of keep going forward.

Will it be more sensible to buy "a Fermi product" after ATI launches it's 6xxx series in a few months? It's a rethorical question, btw.

People should buy whatever suits their needs on a given day. There's allways something faster or revolutionary around the corner.

[LordEC911]

GtX 480 20-30% faster then a 5870 no fail there
Ati 6 month ahead whit drivers 20% there
thats 40-50% a GTX480 i faster when drivers mature
And the bigest fail is ATIs drivers is a fail.

Yep... we won't see anything from AMD/ATi for another +6 months...

[Sn0wm@n]

gtx480 sucks alot of juice but that with 3 revision change right??? imagine the first revision how buggy it was....

[cal_guy]

Looks like the gtx4xx cards can't downclock it's memory when two monitors are active resulting in a very high idle temperatures and power consumption. This interesting in light of the fact that this is true for ATI's cards but they don't have the same extreme temperature and power consumption.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/15/

[Caparroz]

gtx480 sucks alot of juice but that with 3 revision change right??? imagine the first revision how buggy it was....

Your point being?

[pentium777]

maybe [H] was right and BFG will go red

Where was this mentioned? I have seen ZIP about anything BFG related to GTX 400 series cards. Absolutely nothing, as if they aren't going to even have them.

[Olivon]

Your point being?

As usual, nVidia SuXxX

[bill_d]

Where was this mentioned? I have seen ZIP about anything BFG related to GTX 400 series cards. Absolutely nothing, as if they aren't going to even have them.

http://hardocp.com/news/2010/03/04/b...radeon_cards63
there you go

[Solus Corvus]

I actually like the idea of large chips, anybody remember the Alpha? But conceptually can be different then practice.

There are a few practical issues I think they should deal with in a consumer version. One such issue would be the factor of die size at the fabrication level. If they could make each of those GPC units fit on a single small chip. Then you could MCM 4 on a package to make a 512 shader card, 3 for a 384 shader card, 2 for a 256 shader card, etc. Ultimately I feel that's where this will lead, IMO. AMD will do it with CF and NV will probably do it with SLI (or CUDA). Intel will do it with a version of x86 and as AMD will do it with their processors. And lots of software will have to be rewritten to take advantage of the era of massively multicore, so could we use some open standards please?

[annihilat0r]

True, but until someone builds a functional machine based on Einstein's theories, time has a bad habit of keep going forward.

Will it be more sensible to buy "a Fermi product" after ATI launches it's 6xxx series in a few months? It's a rethorical question, btw.

People should buy whatever suits their needs on a given day. There's allways something faster or revolutionary around the corner.

Today it might not suit everyone to buy Fermi. If I were building a new rig I would definitely consider getting a GTX 480 above a HD5870. (I'd probably buy a HD5870 anyway, but getting a 480 isn't out of the question.)

ATI doesn't launch its 6xxx series in a few months. In fact, everything points to the fact that AMD won't be doing much in a few months except maybe a 5890, which has never been confirmed.

Meanwhile Fermi can maybe see a new revision. Even if it doesn't, its future yields will be better and the product a little bit cooler and more efficient.

[Sn0wm@n]

Your point being?

its some sort of wow congrats nvidia you made something broken up into something half decent ...... cant imagine seeing those old numbers when nvidia first received fermi and had to do those improvement to get fermi into the 300watt tdp that they are now .... imagine 400watt single gpu ????

As usual, nVidia SuXxX

sure smart man.... sure ... nvidia sucks because of the bad management .... keep the engineer but fire jen-hsung and all those pr moron ....

[GX-BadAngeL]

[Caparroz]

Today it might not suit everyone to buy Fermi. If I were building a new rig I would definitely consider getting a GTX 480 above a HD5870. (I'd probably buy a HD5870 anyway, but getting a 480 isn't out of the question.)

ATI doesn't launch its 6xxx series in a few months. In fact, everything points to the fact that AMD won't be doing much in a few months except maybe a 5890, which has never been confirmed.

Meanwhile Fermi can maybe see a new revision. Even if it doesn't, its future yields will be better and the product a little bit cooler and more efficient.

Yup, that's my point. As of now i would consider the gtx4xx launch somewhat of a flop. At the same time I'm almost sure 2 gtx480 are the best option for my current project (I wasn't waiting for Fermi; it was a sudden decision).

As of ATI's 6xxx series, it was all rethorical as I said. Whatever brand releases the product I want and/or need gets my money.

[Dainas]

Sure nvidia needs a respin, but ati getting a head soo heavy they cannot help but rest it on their laurels. Whole thing teaches one thing, forget waiting for the alternative be an early adopter and jump(As those HD5870 owners did )!

[zerazax]

I think that this launch was actually near decent.

I think objectively speaking, this is the worst launch from Nvidia since the NV30. That's actually proof that Nvidia has had a great track record of good launches, but this is easily the 2nd worst one in their history.

GtX 480 20-30% faster then a 5870 no fail there
Ati 6 month ahead whit drivers 20% there
thats 40-50% a GTX480 i faster when drivers mature
And the bigest fail is ATIs drivers is a fail.

20-30% faster? Um, okay, most reviews average it out to 13-15%, and our own users here have compiled some charts showing 8% without AA, 15% with AA at 1920 x 1200, and almost all reviews acknowledge the gap decreases with resolution.

And keep spouting drivers... what in the world do you think the driver team has been doing the past 6 months? Keep in mind this card was due 6 months ago, do you really think the driver team would have had even less then?

But hey, keep spouting phantom numbers

[ajaidev]

GTX 480 does not really do much, its hot and well hungry. GTX 485 would be a good card and hopefully it would be out before ATi's refresh.

5870 around 900mhz-950mhz is very comparative and if you mix in 2GB's and say a $70 or so less of a price tag its would be a win on ati's side.

[iTravis]

GtX 480 20-30% faster then a 5870 no fail there
Ati 6 month ahead whit drivers 20% there
thats 40-50% a GTX480 i faster when drivers mature
And the bigest fail is ATIs drivers is a fail.

Where do you get that 20-30% faster than a HD5870?

[zerazax]

Where do you get that 20-30% faster than a HD5870?

In his hopes and dreams

[TRANCEFORMER]

Now that the gtx 480 has arrived , any words on the dual fermi ??

plz i know the TDP is high and many would say its impossible. but i am sure nvidia will deliever whatever it cost just to reply to Ati's 5970.

though i like the performance of the gtx 480 SLI. But i will wait to see the dual fermi first. any news ?

[zerazax]

Saw this while flipping through the reviews again at night:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/15/

"We are currently keeping memory clock high to avoid some screen flicker when changing power states, so for now we are running higher idle power in dual-screen setups. Not sure when/if this will be changed. Also note we're trading off temps for acoustic quality at idle. We could ratchet down the temp, but need to turn up the fan to do so. Our fan control is set to not start increasing fan until we're up near the 80's, so the higher temp is actually by design to keep the acoustics lower." - NVIDIA PR

Yikes! 90C at idle for 2 LCDs?? I wonder if any other reviewers had this same issue

Now that the gtx 480 has arrived , any words on the dual fermi ??

plz i know the TDP is high and many would say its impossible. but i am sure nvidia will deliever whatever it cost just to reply to Ati's 5970.

though i like the performance of the gtx 480 SLI. But i will wait to see the dual fermi first. any news ?

There haven't been any substantial rumors on a dual Fermi right now, most are talking about the GF104 and GF108 derivative (mid/lower end) cards on the horizon

And given that Nvidia couldn't do a dual GTX 280 which drew less power / heat, I wouldn't expect a dual Fermi until a process shrink, or a dual 470 probably with some cut down parts. Personally, a 2 x GF104 card might be doable (if the GF104 is really 320SP, 256-bit as rumored, that would certainly be competitive with the 5970).

[Sn0wm@n]

Now that the gtx 480 has arrived , any words on the dual fermi ??

plz i know the TDP is high and many would say its impossible. but i am sure nvidia will deliever whatever it cost just to reply to Ati's 5970.

though i like the performance of the gtx 480 SLI. But i will wait to see the dual fermi first. any news ?

quad sli in mind ????

[Caparroz]

Wow, gtx4xx isn't even for sale and people are already speculating about gtx485, whatever that is...

I hate to repeat myself but it was a wise decision to keep this thread going...