GTX 480 and GTX 470 Reviews

[Jowy Atreides]

I just got used to the nv image quality too much. It's not that ati's iq is inferior, they are just different...

If you're 'used to' the nvidia image quality, it means the very best nvidia IQ you've seen would be the 2 series.
In which case, the 5870 has BETTER IQ than what you're used to.

Fail justification is fail.

Someone with a fermi post up the AF check tube benchmark now.

[Warboy]

Well, I read the Guru3D report and it doesn't seem that bad, They got a good boost in performance at higher resolutions when overclocking (Looked bottlenecked at lower resolutions). In some cases the GTX 480 was beating the 5970 if people read it. But it was mostly beating the 5870.

I think I will wait till GTX 485, where they unlock that final SM. Plus EVGA doesn't have a SSC or FTW Air on the website yet.


Looks like a good card once all the hiccups are ironed out. But technically they are right. The fastest single GPU card. But it will give you radiation poison .

[cegras]

If I can equate noise levels with some of the cards I have gone through in recent months, I'd put noise output at something like this from loudest to quietest.

Palit 9600 GSO (my mistake for ever putting it in my system)
GTX 295
HD 4870 (with the revised fan speed profile)
HD 4890
HD 4870 X2
GTX 480
GTX 280
GTX 470
GTX 285 / GTX 275
HD 5970
HD 5870
HD 5850


Then again, we all have to remember that certain noises bother some people more than others.

The GTX 480 is less intrusive than the 4870? Well, the 4870 did have a very annoying high pitched 'whoosh,' but the videos on HardOCP are truly terrifying.

[dengyong]

Well, I read the Guru3D report and it doesn't seem that bad, They got a good boost in performance at higher resolutions when overclocking (Looked bottlenecked at lower resolutions). In some cases the GTX 480 was beating the 5970 if people read it. But it was mostly beating the 5870.

I think I will wait till GTX 485, where they unlock that final SM. Plus EVGA doesn't have a SSC or FTW Air on the website yet.


Looks like a good card once all the hiccups are ironed out. But technically they are right. The fastest single GPU card. But it will give you radiation poison .

Have you considered dihydrogen monoxide cooling ?

[Jodiuh]

You can't equate noise from a crappy mic on a camera to what a card would sound like in your case with the side panel on. The videos seriously mislead people regarding the noise output.

Yup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrWrnFTO5Xg

See how much trouble I caused w/ this video of a 4890?

[KingOfsorroW]

If you're 'used to' the nvidia image quality, it means the very best nvidia IQ you've seen would be the 2 series.
In which case, the 5870 has BETTER IQ than what you're used to.

Fail justification is fail.

Someone with a fermi post up the AF check tube benchmark now.

Well, yeah the supersampling of the image displayd and true multisampling fsaa really make the image look crystal clear, but um... you know nvidia's anisotropy filtering is better (and I mean of higher quality here), and the mix of csaa/msaa + supersampling transparent aa add that nvidia-specific image look. The image is blurrier on nvidia cards than on ati's. I got used to that blurriness, the ati iq is just too clear for my taste. It probably may be considrered of higher quality, though.

[Glow9]

From what I see from these reviews is confusing. Some reviews love it some are not too excited. But I have to say with spending this much time on these cards I would have thought power would be lower... I'm not surprised it runs hot but still....

It's late I'm tired I'll read the rest tomorrow but right now the 5850 is lookin pretty good. Not like I can afford 2x 480 lol I wouldn't even want to pay for the power bill for them.

[Jowy Atreides]

you know nvidia's anisotropy filtering is better (and I mean of higher quality here.

No, it's not.

Actually run the AF tester from the 5870 and 285. Look at the results.

[zanzabar]

Well, yeah the supersampling of the image displayd and true multisampling fsaa really make the image look crystal clear, but um... you know nvidia's anisotropy filtering is better (and I mean of higher quality here), and the mix of csaa/msaa + supersampling transparent aa add that nvidia-specific image look. The image is blurrier on nvidia cards than on ati's. I got used to that blurriness, the ati iq is just too clear for my taste. It probably may be considrered of higher quality, though.

thats one of the things that i hate, its like the consoles u cant tell that are lacking AA most of the time since the edges are blurred a little. with the leap ati made by changing the AF method i would hope that NV would then take initiative to match atis AA methods now that ati matched the AF of NV.

[KingOfsorroW]

No, it's not.

Actually run the AF tester from the 5870 and 285. Look at the results.

It is the af tester doesn't do justice. There are some reviews on the net that proove that. I also beleive my eyes from the games experience. fsaa is better on ati cards and the af is better on nv cards... this is how it works these days.

here is some read for ya:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=12648&page=3

[Jowy Atreides]

It is the af tester doesn't do justice. There are some reviews on the net that proove that. I also beleive my eyes from the games experience. fsaa is better on ati cards and the af is better on nv cards... this is how it works these days.

Prove it.

I just proved you wrong. Counter argue. (use the balance of arguments and meet at an equal level or lose)



Counter argue or above. If not = wrong.

[zanzabar]

It is the af tester doesn't do justice. There are some reviews on the net that proove that. I also beleive my eyes from the games experience. fsaa is better on ati cards and the af is better on nv cards... this is how it works these days.

Prove it.

I just proved you wrong. Counter argue. (use the balance of arguments and meet at an equal level or lose)

u are both right, NV is not as good quality but there is a little blur so its kind like cinimatic focus were edges are softer and it hides some imperfection.

[flippin_waffles]

The card isn't loud. Neither one is actually. You can't equate noise from a crappy mic on a camera to what a card would sound like in your case with the side panel on. The videos seriously mislead people regarding the noise output.

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Yes. The mic cost more than a 5850. Distance was kept constant as well as all ambient noise. I made sound adjustment levels in the edit that were kept constant in every video. It was of the utmost importance to me that we represented noise as "perfect" as possible across the videos. I did not take comparison lightly.

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=238

[KingOfsorroW]

Prove it...

well, read the review I linked to. They explain very well the differences in af and fsaa quality between ati and nvidia cards. You can read, right?

[cegras]

well, read the review I linked to. They explain very well the differences in af and fsaa quality between ati and nvidia cards. You can read, right?

The AF tester shows exactly how the 5xxx series implementation is theoretically superior. You either refute (theoretically superior) or not. Subjective experience doesn't factor into this. Actually, the 285 on the text makes the M's look very jagged, so now we enter in the foggy territory of personal opinion.

[Blacky]

Now the codename Fermi makes sense to me: Fermi = NuclearFail, the only thing impressive is the SLI scaling everything else is sad for being 6 months late, I hope nvidia finally learns from this and drops the "Big chip is the way" bull theory and their ego. By the way some are claiming "wait on drivers" I remember hearing this before (R600), don't expect miracles either, nvidias driver team is far superior than ATI's team but they had 6 months+ and they miserably failed to impress, they did it with SLI only I mention. Fermi is a fail period, been a nvidia fan myself im truly dissapointed and I must admit ATI did it right this time. In my conclusion the only reason to buy Fermi is if you're planning to build a new system with multi-gpu setup and you do not care about consumption, thermals and price.

[Cybercat]

^ I think your sig says it all.

I'm getting a 5870.

[Blacky]

^ I think your sig says it all.

I'm getting a 5870.

Nah Fermi in fact means much more than "epic fail" is so much fail that the fail word doesn't exist yet

[Hockster]

and my two 4890's are not that loud as that

Neither did mine. Sure at 100% fan speeds they were, but they never needed to run past 40%. The 480 seems to run that fast if someone looks at it funny.

[grimREEFER]

Yeah I find the certain pitches/frequency to be more annoying than the actual sound level I think.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...47/Lindos1.svg

well, humans tend to even perceive different frequencies at different loudness even if they have the same sound pressure, as shown in the graph

an 75dB 20hz sound is likely to be percieved as loud as -5dB 3000hz sound in the most extreme case

[insurgent]

"It's okay, CUDA will fix everything"

[Caparroz]

"Fermi is the second coming" point of view: Epic Fail.

"GT200 sucessor / RV870 competitor after 6 months" point of view: it's OK. No more, no less than realistically expected.

Power consuption, heat and noise are ridiculous, though. Apart from those going SLI, running outrageous res. and/or multi-monitor I fail to see any good reason to grab a gtx480, imho. From the reviews I read (anand, HWC, Elite Bastards, ixbt and graphs from another sites) the gtx470, if it's really priced at $450, Nvidia should bury them and pretend it was a April's fool joke.

[Svnth]

If I can equate noise levels with some of the cards I have gone through in recent months, I'd put noise output at something like this from loudest to quietest.

Palit 9600 GSO (my mistake for ever putting it in my system)
GTX 295
HD 4870 (with the revised fan speed profile)
HD 4890
HD 4870 X2
GTX 480
GTX 280
GTX 470
GTX 285 / GTX 275
HD 5970
HD 5870
HD 5850


Then again, we all have to remember that certain noises bother some people more than others.

Given all the questions about noise levels, and the uncertainty of [H] videos, it would be interesting if you would do a test comparing all the GPUs you mentioned, and actually test actual Decibels from, say 2 locations, across a couple games. Or maybe just do it for a few of the cards (the 4xx and the 5xxx)?

Would you be willing to do that? I'm sure people would like to see the data for actual games, not a synthetic test like Furmark (especially if AMD throttles this application, which alters results).

[Svnth]

"Fermi is the second coming" point of view: Epic Fail.

"GT200 sucessor / RV870 competitor after 6 months" point of view: it's OK. No more, no less than realistically expected.

Power consuption, heat and noise are ridiculous, though. Apart from those going SLI, running outrageous res. and/or multi-monitor I fail to see any good reason to grab a gtx480, imho. From the reviews I read (anand, HWC, Elite Bastards, ixbt and graphs from another sites) the gtx470, if it's really priced at $450, Nvidia should bury them and pretend it was a April's fool joke.

What?! They've clearly stated, and every review has said that 470 is $350.

[highoctane]

What?! They've clearly stated, and every review has said that 470 is $350.

Thats correct, if the 470 was $450 you might as well splurge the extra bit to get a 480.