The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[zalbard]

anyone want to take a wild guess as to when tsmc will have their 28nm process ready for nvidia's shrinked fermi ?????


ill start and say Q4 2011

6-9 months tops, as for most cards, I guess.

on a serious note, seeing how the memory will make minimal performance increase for most people, im sure nvidia chose lower frequency gddr5 to keep cost down, thats my guess.

The cost difference can't be significant. Must be something else. Heat, perhaps...

Thanks for that. Further supports the possibility of a 480Ultra down the road.

No reason for them not to release it once they can.

The metallic cover has definitely something to do with the heat dissipation.

It shouldn't make a significant difference in heat dissipation.
It's probably built that way to allow a bigger radiator while keeping an acceptable width.

Wheres my fermi 512sp at 750 mhz?

Wasn't that the intended? I want to see benchmarks of that not the 'dud' 480sp version

750MHz is too high for a reference card.
And 512sp version is supposedly coming later...

Can somebody tell me how much profit nvidia and there AIB's will make off of each card at these current prices?

Nvidia isnt able to price these cards much more considering the prices ATI is selling parts for. Nvidia is bound and shackled by their lack luster performance. Ati's selling prices have a death grip on nvidias bottom line.

I'm sure they will make some profit. On both Geforce and (of course) Tesla cards. The price they are selling them for is bound to be higher than the manufacturing cost.

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?

512 vs 480. That's **only** 6% worth.

End of the World because nvidia ships a card with less than all shaders?
Broken card? Give me a break. 8800GT was **only** 112 out of 128 shaders, and one of best selling cards.

It's the only high end card with disabled parts I can think of.

http://translate.google.com/translat...tm&sl=tr&tl=en

According to this, Nvidia might have already sold huge numbers of Fermi GPUs as Tesla cards to the Chinese government. Which means a probability of very low availability of GeForce cards.

There would be low availability in any case.
And we can't complain, Tesla is their primary market... At least they'll make some serious $$$!

breaking news! ati MIGHT have sold even higher numbers of rv870 gpus to the chinese government!

source

LOL, nice source!
I doubt they sold many... But they sold a lot of 4870x2s, I think.

This actually makes a lot of sense to me, GPUs are capable of hacking much faster than CPUs because of the mathematical nature of GPUs . . . and the Chinese govt. is allegedly quite fond of hacking things.

What's up with all the hate?

Probably posted somewhere here, but there could be 2 editions of the gtx 480 coming out.

One with 512 shaders as well as the 480 edition. Its probably going to be an ultra with an ultra like price. Hopefully they bump the clocks up a bit like they have done in the past.

Unlikely IMO... Or at least right now. But there should be definitely something similar coming out a bit later.

i didnt know the chinese government played a lot of 3dmark

There are probably more computers in Seoul, South Korea than there are in North Korea as a whole...

Anyway, why is nvidia selling Fermi to the chinese gov't.?

Because Tesla cards cost a lot more than Geforce cards. And Tesla is the primary reason for creating Fermi arch (GPGPU, etc). So they are just following their plan.

GTX 480 and GTX 470 specifications
http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=3484
Translated
http://translate.google.com/translat...84&sl=de&tl=en

Looks about right, I guess.

And also it seems that until 6 april the stock will be very low...almost inexistent...and the cards will be overpriced by sellers in some countrys like Romania.

This is typical for high end cards these days, though. Gotta blame TSMC, I suppose...

Performance wise, I am not waiting for any surprises. Prices are good, TDP is not as bad as it was "hyped" to be, these cards seem to be somewhat decent.

Good definition!

These are supposed to be new.

http://i39.tinypic.com/14xp3qh.png

I bet they are not using 10.3 drivers that are supposed to be MUCH faster in Dirt2.
Interesting, nonetheless.

Honestly, it isn't even in my system yet. I am trying to re-benchmark as many cards as possible with the new 10.3a and 197-series drivers before popping the new stuff in.

Great! Going to be an excellent comparison then! Looking forward to it!

Dirt2 is also a DX11 title with tessellation - something we have been told repeatedly that Fermi is particularly good at.

It doesn't use much tessellation at all.
Mostly for crowds of people and some minor effects...

what is power draw of 480 ?

250W.

1.5-2x gaming performance of GTX285? 5870 is already faster than that on average...

Will there be a 2+ GB version of the GTX 480?

Doubt that, just Tesla cards I think.

Cheers mindfury for those terrific pics. The heat sink looks quality (as does the card in general)!

Yeah, stylish and sturdy. I like it, too.

Being the card has two DVI and one mini-HDMI outputs, will they be able to support two monitors (via the DVI's) and a TV (via the HDMI) at the same time?

Doubt that, since it needs SLI for 3 monitors...

whoa already 33 pages :O

still no real info, so what's the point

Oh, there is real info.

A huge cost is R&D.

Which should hopefully be covered by Tesla sales.
Good point, though.

5970,5870,5870 2GB 5850 VS. 480, 470 final scores:

Fail graph.