The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[Zloyd]

whats with the fermi and farcry2 love ?

[eric66]

whats with the fermi and farcry2 love ?

thats why : http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-5830-review/15

unigine and far cry 2 its like they are trying to master in those games

[-Sweeper_]

thats why : http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-5830-review/15

unigine and far cry 2 its like they are trying to master in those games

yeah, unigine is an awesome game...

[tajoh111]

thats why : http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-5830-review/15

unigine and far cry 2 its like they are trying to master in those games

Guru3d results are alot different than hwcanucks results.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-16.html

The gtx 295 is losing to the 5870 here and the gtx 285 loses quite handily.

I am a bit sceptical about those recent graph results. If the gtx 480 was that fast in the first place then we would seeing leaks long time ago. In addition, the gtx 470 should be as fast if not faster than the 5870 looking at those results. But the 349 price seems to indicate it is slower.

But then again results like that is still below the hype fermi initially promised.

[eric66]

Guru3d results are alot different than hwcanucks results.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-16.html

The gtx 295 is losing to the 5870 here and the gtx 285 loses quite handily.

I am a bit sceptical about those recent graph results. If the gtx 480 was that fast in the first place then we would seeing leaks long time ago. In addition, the gtx 470 should be as fast if not faster than the 5870 looking at those results. But the 349 price seems to indicate it is slower.

But then again results like that is still below the hype fermi initially promised.

well gurus are newer. i recall nvidia gaining 20 or 30 percent in far cry 2 with newer drivers correct me if i am wrong and to say the truth i expect gtx 480 be much faster than 5870 in nvidia favored games. weren't first fermi videos showing great performance in far cry 2 anyway ?

[SKYMTL]

Guru3d results are alot different than hwcanucks results.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-16.html

The gtx 295 is losing to the 5870 here and the gtx 285 loses quite handily.

I am a bit sceptical about those recent graph results. If the gtx 480 was that fast in the first place then we would seeing leaks long time ago. In addition, the gtx 470 should be as fast if not faster than the 5870 looking at those results. But the 349 price seems to indicate it is slower.

But then again results like that is still below the hype fermi initially promised.

I'll tell you something about Far Cry 2 benchmarking.

Both ATI and NVIDIA have built in FAR too many optimizations into their drivers for the standard "Ranch" benchmark runs. That's why we avoid it like the plague. Our results are based off of a 10 minute gameplay sequence. The "Ranch"-based benchmarks used to be quite accurate....not anymore.

The game itself is currently somewhat ATI-biased simply because their drivers have improved Dunia Engine performance drastically.

Since we don't know where those benchmarks are taken from within the game (Ranch sequence or in-game), it's best to take that with a grain of salt.

HOWEVER, for NVIDIA to be performing that well in DiRT 2 (a game developed with the close participation of AMD) is a huge step in the right direction.

[GoldenTiger]

I'll tell you something about Far Cry 2 benchmarking.

Both ATI and NVIDIA have built in FAR too many optimizations into their drivers for the standard "Ranch" benchmark runs. That's why we avoid it like the plague. Our results are based off of a 10 minute gameplay sequence. The "Ranch"-based benchmarks used to be quite accurate....not anymore.

The game itself is currently somewhat ATI-biased simply because their drivers have improved Dunia Engine performance drastically.

Since we don't know where those benchmarks are taken from within the game (Ranch sequence or in-game), it's best to take that with a grain of salt.

HOWEVER, for NVIDIA to be performing that well in DiRT 2 (a game developed with the close participation of AMD) is a huge step in the right direction.

Good points... I had the same thought on Dirt 2 myself.

well avgs are low so i bet they again picked 2560 res for bench which can explain 480s nice performance in dx11

I run 2560x1600, so to me it is extremely important that a high-end card can perform at high-res. As far as the avg's being "low", the minimums are important to me, in fact what drove me to buy a 5870 over my then-current GTX 280 even though the averages weren't as spectacularly high like the minimum gains were. As SKYMTL said of course, can't really judge a ton off of the FarCry 2 bench there without context, but if minimum gains like that turn out to be the norm in real benches across review sites, then it would be a smashing success of a card: I don't care if it can spike to 150fps while maintaining a 60 average... I care if it can stay above 45-50 while maintaining a 65-70 average, even if that means the max is only around 100 then . Max framerates and by extension averages can be easily skewed with that.

[eric66]

I run 2560x1600, so to me it is extremely important that a high-end card can perform at high-res. As far as the avg's being "low", the minimums are important to me, in fact what drove me to buy a 5870 over my then-current GTX 280 even though the averages weren't as spectacularly high like the minimum gains were. As SKYMTL said of course, can't really judge a ton off of the FarCry 2 bench there without context, but if minimum gains like that turn out to be the norm in real benches across review sites, then it would be a smashing success of a card: I don't care if it can spike to 150fps while maintaining a 60 average... I care if it can stay above 45-50 while maintaining a 65-70 average, even if that means the max is only around 100 then . Max framerates and by extension averages can be easily skewed with that.

what i am saying is that they tried to reach limits of 5xxx cards if they benched at 2560res

[ToxAvenger]

Literally haven't opened the box. For all I know NVIDIA sent me an Optimus Notebook.

HAHA. But you must have nerves of steel to resist.

Honestly though, I can't get excited simply because there is too much to do. It's always best to benchmark the new stuff last so you can put its performance into context right before you have to write the article itself.

Makes sense actually.

I usually take the "slow and steady" way when it comes to benchmarking to make sure I can catch any issues. I did however have a frantic search last night for my misplaced HD 5970.

Is this a hint about the 480's performance?

[highoctane]

what i am saying is that they tried to reach limits of 5xxx cards if they benched at 2560res

So all previous benchmarking ever done at 2560 was simply done to reach the limits of the 5xxx cards all along, even before 5xxx cards where out, whatever...

2560 has been being benchmarked for a long while now just zeroing in on that like its something "new" fits your obstinate anti nvidia agenda I guess.