The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[***Deimos***]

Very very very VERY dissapointing. If it really has 480 shaders then my interest in buying these cards just took a serious nose dive. 3 spins and they cant even get all the shaders to work? Why in the world would I drop $500 for a broken card, the 470 looks better and better now especially if it holds to its $350 price tag.

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?

512 vs 480. That's **only** 6% worth.

End of the World because nvidia ships a card with less than all shaders?
Broken card? Give me a break. 8800GT was **only** 112 out of 128 shaders, and one of best selling cards.

[Sentential]

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?

512 vs 480. That's **only** 6% worth.

End of the World because nvidia ships a card with less than all shaders?
Broken card? Give me a break. 8800GT was **only** 112 out of 128 shaders, and one of best selling cards.

The point is this; after all this time THIS is the best they can do? Really? Really? A half assed card that has to be harvested because the yields still blow after 3 respins. You gotta be kidding me; even the RV520 and R600 weren't this bad, neither was the NV30 for that matter; at least they could be binned for a full part!

Also ffs about the 8800GT; Ok Fine its 112 shaders and was harvested down from 128; fair enough. That said it was also single slot and didn't out wattage like fat-bastard on a burrito binge as Fermi appears to do. If a 480 part is the best that nvidia can do then god help them when Hecatoncheres comes out this summer.

[saaya]

The point is this; after all this time THIS is the best they can do? Really? Really? A half assed card that has to be harvested because the yields still blow after 3 respins. You gotta be kidding me; even the RV520 and R600 weren't this bad, neither was the NV30 for that matter; at least they could be binned for a full part!

Also ffs about the 8800GT; Ok Fine its 112 shaders and was harvested down from 128; fair enough. That said it was also single slot and didn't out wattage like fat-bastard on a burrito binge as Fermi appears to do. If a 480 part is the best that nvidia can do then god help them when Hecatoncheres comes out this summer.

i dont think you really care about the shaders...
think about it, if a gtx480 would be as fast or faster than a 5970, would you be complaining about parts of the gpu being broken or disabled? i dont think so... people will complain about disabled shader cores, slow memory clocks, high tdps... but what they are really miffed about is the performance which is lower than expected... cause its lower than what nvidia claimed and made everybody expect...

[Sentential]

i dont think you really care about the shaders...
think about it, if a gtx480 would be as fast or faster than a 5970, would you be complaining about parts of the gpu being broken or disabled? i dont think so... people will complain about disabled shader cores, slow memory clocks, high tdps... but what they are really miffed about is the performance which is lower than expected... cause its lower than what nvidia claimed and made everybody expect...

Valid and agreed but its more towards me wanting the ability to purchase a full shader part reguardless of what that shader count may be. I do not like paying full price for a broken card.

[highoctane]

Valid and agreed but its more towards me wanting the ability to purchase a full shader part reguardless of what that shader count may be. I do not like paying full price for a broken card.

Yet you will buy a shader disabled 260 and complain about wanting to buy a full shader 480, geez the irony...

[Sadasius]

Valid and agreed but its more towards me wanting the ability to purchase a full shader part reguardless of what that shader count may be. I do not like paying full price for a broken card.

Good luck in getting anything without at least one transistor dinked on it. That's why some things are tested and cherry picked for certain applications. The things with the least dings gets the most dollars. Nvidia made a really big chip. It is damn impossible under the current tech to not have dinked transistors.

[Zoran]

Valid and agreed but its more towards me wanting the ability to purchase a full shader part reguardless of what that shader count may be. I do not like paying full price for a broken card.

Well, then pay 2.5k+ for the tesla and you get the full part for the full price I think... Plus, as a bonus, you get 3GB of VRAM

[saaya]

Valid and agreed but its more towards me wanting the ability to purchase a full shader part reguardless of what that shader count may be. I do not like paying full price for a broken card.

how do you define broken then? there is spare logic in almost every chip nowadays, and its broken in quite some... yet the chip remains fully functional. so is that broken or not? and who says the gtx480 chips with 480 sps are broken? its very likely that the sps on at least some of them are fully functional, they just run too hot or require too high volts to clock high, or they clock really low no matter how much volts you feed them... would you prefer a chip with all sps enabled but much lower clocks and even higher tdps? when it comes to asics there isnt really fully functional and broken, theres no hard seperation between the two...

imo broken for an asic refers to logic errors, ie the logic doesnt process data properly in some scenarios... thats broken... a chip with disabled units is not broken... it has A broken block or A block that performs below specs, but its not broken... and most chips these days are sold with at least some logic disabled in their volume skus, and not because they are broken, but because mfcs want to differentiate their skus from one another. most entry level and mainstream chips have cache, cores or some extra logic disabled, even thought it works fine. are those broken as well?

dont think too much about this, in the end, it doesnt matter anyways...
well, not to us... it matters for analysts and for nvidia themselves, cause it means less highend parts and lower asps...
and its not like ati COULD produce such a massive chip with good yields and nvidia cant... just take it for what it is, and judge it for what it is... who cares if it has 1024 sps and half are disabled? if you cant enable them, then what difference does it make... whether they are broken, or just disabled for some other reason... whats the difference?

whats up with those wild tdp rumors?
nvidia spreading bs again to confuse everybody?
the 480s tdp is rumored to be between 225W to 300W
the 470s tdp is rumored to be between 215W to 250W
or maybe the 300W figure is for the 480 ultra with everything enabled and the 250W is for the 480 sp one?

and still no new benchmarks of the 480?
its less than a week to the launch...

[xdan]

I think that after 6 months Nvidia will make a big surprise with GTX 470/480 and in a good way...NDA is very severe because of that...
It seems that TDP will be 215W for 470 and 250W fot GTX 480 not so scary and epic fail...
And also it seems that until 6 april the stock will be very low...almost inexistent...and the cards will be overpriced by sellers in some countrys like Romania.

[saaya]

I think that after 6 months Nvidia will make a big surprise with GTX 470/480 and in a good way...NDA is very severe because of that...
It seems that TDP will be 215W for 470 and 250W fot GTX 480 not so scary and epic fail...
And also it seems that until 6 april the stock will be very low...almost inexistent...and the cards will be overpriced by sellers in some countrys like Romania.

wow... the past 6 months of waiting wasnt enough for you?
you want to wait and hope for a miracle for another 6 months?
man, you sure have a lot of faith... i hope nvidia knows how lucky they are to have you as one of their customers

Performance wise, I am not waiting for any surprises. Prices are good, TDP is not as bad as it was "hyped" to be, these cards seem to be somewhat decent.

yeah perf looks to be about the same as 5800s, but if you ask me, that in itself is quite a surprise considering how much bigger gf100 is... it has more bandwidth, more texturing power, more shader power, more tesselation power, more everything... but its barely faster. that doesnt mean its bad though, the performance is very good and more than enough for most people. its just really unefficient from the looks of it...

about the tdp... not that bad?
depends on how much power the cards consume... if its close to their tdps, then its very bad... it would mean that a 470 consumes as much as a gtx295 but performs notably worse. the last single gpu card that consumed that much power (200W) was the 2900xt...

btw, check this out!
it looks like at least one person was caught in the steam hardware survey with a gtx480, so it shows up in the stats now

[DosDuoNo]

I just wanted to reply to you guys, to explain

North Korea? Do they have freely available internet even? That country is more dictatorial than China regarding information and citizens overseeing.

I honestly doubt NK people could play on a game's server hosted in Europe or the US...
South Korea is another thing completely thought, so maybe you saw people from there instead.

In Crysis the US Team Plays against a North Korean team, this was the intended 'Pun'

sounds bull ... it might be Singaporeans chinese or Taiwanese?... how the hell you know their nationality from your screen?

and NK does not have that freedom of accessing internet, let alone playing online games. maybe you're mistaken them from S.Koreans? or maybe you've some grudge on asians?

wake up and face the fact, we're in a multicultural, multinational planet, you're bound to meet some ppl everywhere you go.

answer as above, and also i woke up years ago, to Bigotry and racism, i have also traveled the planet to many differant cultures and races. and loved them all.

so please dont tar me with the Racist brush

I'm half Korean. I'm a minor going to a high school. I live in the United States. It's so funny how the United States is so segregated about asians. Blacks and whites get along fine. Thats one race now. Asians...or "chinese" kids always get the **** now. I'm quite tired of it and if anyone needs to be be racist on a forum like that then fine. Dos has his wish. Some people humor me.

if i was truly racist, the wonderful mods would have locked me out for it, thankfully they have the wisdom to spot real trouble and racism.

i am of course neither

what happens in your country as regards to the segregation of asians, troubles me if true, but then again so do children starving in africa.

I don't think he was being racist by joking about cheating in an online game... it's a common thing just like joking about "chinese gold farmers" in MMO's . Don't take personal offense at it. As far as "blacks & whites being one race now" don't say that within earshot of Al Sharpton and co. ! Sadly a lot of animosity does exist due to perceptions of racism, even though I don't think many really are (which is of course, on that front, a good thing that it's dwindled down to near-nothing). The area I am from would easily be considered, stereotypically, a bad one for that, but in reality it is not.

thank you for your support Golden Tiger, you are correct in seeing i am not a racist and i have never been.

the problem lies herein (in bold) our perception of racism (but this is not the place to discuss it.)

so thank you i just thought i would explain a little

back on topic

now we have voltage tweak on a supposedly bad overclocking card that runs like a furnace? this should be fun for the air guys out there, i expect a few RMA's lol

lucky im on water