480GTX Fermi being faster than 5870 is not a problem and not in collision with what Charlie D. said previously(he said roughly the same performance). Since 480GTX will be roughly 10-15% better than 5870,one can consider it is roughly on par with it since 10 or 15% better fps means jack for gamers.One can easily OC his Cypress and match and exceed those 480GTX results with ease,or buy a faster 5890 card to begin with. Yes,one can say you can OC Fermi too,but by how much ? With that huge die and a huge TDP to begin with and already castrated MIMDs,one would need thermo nuclear miniplant and LN2 cooling to keep it sable while OCed for the practical use the 99% of buyers will do with it and that's -gaming. I'm not saying Fermi will be bad,it will be a good gaming range of cards. The 470GTX especially. But to say NV hit the nail on the head ,looking from gaming POV,is simply not true and nobody can turn this around.