Swiftech unveils MCR Drive Heat Exchangers

[Manicdan]

load will be ALWAYS less then 600W.. the rad will be fine

dual 5980s always below 600W? based on what exactly?

[Bodkin]

Cheers for the fast response Gabe, hence why I buy swiftech! I cant find any info on PG14. How big a problem is filling it in a heavy case when its horizontal going to be? Are there any pg14 to bsp 1/4 converters about so I can add some tube?

Edit: Just seen on your sight it cant be mounted at top of a pc case. Shame, as I am sure many people would want to do that

[zytrahus]

Cheers for the fast response Gabe, hence why I buy swiftech! I cant find any info on PG14. How big a problem is filling it in a heavy case when its horizontal going to be? Are there any pg14 to bsp 1/4 converters about so I can add some tube?

Edit: Just seen on your sight it cant be mounted at top of a pc case. Shame, as I am sure many people would want to do that

I think he meant PG11, not PG14.

[kgtiger]

Congratulations Gabe, on bring a new ideas to the market, I like it, it's a sweet design.

I feel it take a brave person, a true pioneer to think out side the box, to then have the guts to back him/herself and give it a go,
and really, really big balls to stand up and say, I have made this, what do you think, do you like it.
After all, this XS crowd can be quite demanding and a little tough to satisfy.
However, I do feel all in all we really do need to thank you for sticking your neck out and trying something new. So thank you

As my son is counting down the days, has been for over a month now, it's 2 days to Christmas, so Gabe, I wish you and your family a very Marry Christmas and a magnanimous new year.
May your stockings be filled to the top, of whatever you need the most.

Have a good one champ.

[gabe]

pure speculation. too many unknown variables, which is why i recommended he check out rad reviews. low vs high fan speed could easily make 10 degree difference, a light overclock could make another 10 degrees. based on a load anywhere from 600-800W a 320 rad is probably not enough, i would recommend a second one, or some delta fans and ear plugs.

total load: fair enough
GPU temps: water temp will rise for sure. On the other hand, I think that the lower thermal resistance (pin matrix) of our Epsilon blocks will really shine there.

[gabe]

I think he meant PG11, not PG14.

Sorry for the typo, yes you are correct it is PG11

[gabe]

Congratulations Gabe, on bring a new ideas to the market, I like it, it's a sweet design.

I feel it take a brave person, a true pioneer to think out side the box, to then have the guts to back him/herself and give it a go,
and really, really big balls to stand up and say, I have made this, what do you think, do you like it.
After all, this XS crowd can be quite demanding and a little tough to satisfy.
However, I do feel all in all we really do need to thank you for sticking your neck out and trying something new. So thank you

As my son is counting down the days, has been for over a month now, it's 2 days to Christmas, so Gabe, I wish you and your family a very Marry Christmas and a magnanimous new year.
May your stockings be filled to the top, of whatever you need the most.

Have a good one champ.

Thanks! But our Thermal Engineer Stephen Mounioloux is the inventor, and he deserves all the credit. On the personal level, my biggest satisfaction in this job comes from knowing that what we do here is used and appreciated by our customers. Thanks again for confirming this!

[Manicdan]

is it safe to have it on the top of the case as long as you have the pump side hanging a little lower than the reservoir side? im talking only an inch extra here, not a full 45 degrees or anything.

any response to this question of mine, Gabe?

[Bodkin]

^this

[gabe]

Cheers for the fast response Gabe, hence why I buy swiftech! I cant find any info on PG14. How big a problem is filling it in a heavy case when its horizontal going to be? Are there any pg14 to bsp 1/4 converters about so I can add some tube?

Edit: Just seen on your sight it cant be mounted at top of a pc case. Shame, as I am sure many people would want to do that

It can be installed and will work perfectly well this way, but 1/ you need an auxiliary reservoir, and 2/there is a risk that the pump could lose it's prime if:

1/ the level in the reservoir is sufficiently low (enough air to fill more than that half the pump cavity, which is not that much..) and
2/ you move or ship your PC someplace and that big air bubble travels to the pump and stays there.

Then you restart your system.. and the pump can't prime.

Now, the above is true for ANY liquid cooling system where the user installs the pump at the highest point of the loop, simply because the pump becomes an air trap.

Regarding mounting the radiator at an angle, then the pump is no longer at the highest point, and therefore air could travel upwards install of staying stuck in the pump, and it would work.

Understand that we are very mindful to only recommend the safest configurations to users.

[mav2000]

Well that kills it for me...This is an amazing product, but I just wish it could be used at the top of the case.

[PiLsY]

140mm see above
G1/4: it already is compatible.
mirror: will look into it
mounting with radbox: less vibrations with rabox than hardmount to chassis: the plastic radbox acts as a damper - o-ring or rubber washer between the screw heads and the chassis (the ones that that forms the posts to fasten the radbox base) will also further decouple the assembly from the chassis for additional insulation - how did you install your pump to the rad and to a radbox? pic please. just curious.

Must confess to not using a Swiftech one - got this one years ago. I do have the clearance for the swiftech one - just need to swap the rear case fan from internally mounted to externally mounted. Really fancy changing to 140mm throughout.


Tight fit using an Eheim as below:



But plenty of room when I switched to a DD CPX-Pro:

[dingdong555]

Jab-Tech now has these instock guys. Very good price IMO as all you need is a CPU block + some tubing. Great for system builders + people who want to be introduced to liquid cooling!

MCR320/Pump - $194.95
MCR 320/No pump - $134.95
MCR 220/No pump - $124.95
MCR 220/Pump $184.95

[aiya]

Wish they made a single 120 version but I'm guessing there isn't a large enough market to warrant production.

[kevikev]

Looks like the display adapter would be blocked. Those of us using dual link DVI cables with large ferrites would never be able to connect to the card with that hanging off the back.

Wish they made a single 120 version but I'm guessing there isn't a large enough market to warrant production.

Me, too. The double and triple versions won't be feasible for rear mounting if you have bulky video cables connected to outputs in your 1st/topmost PCI-E slot.

I'll have to measure and see if I could connect my cables to the bottom 2 slots of the bottom most slot and still have clearance for the hoses.

[gabe]

Me, too. The double and triple versions won't be feasible for rear mounting if you have bulky video cables connected to outputs in your 1st/topmost PCI-E slot.

I'll have to measure and see if I could connect my cables to the bottom 2 slots of the bottom most slot and still have clearance for the hoses.

You can always use a Radbox..

[kevikev]

Wish they made a single 120 version but I'm guessing there isn't a large enough market to warrant production.

You can always use a Radbox..

If this is in answer to enough clearance between the MCR Drive and cables coming out of the expansion slot, then the comment was already assuming a Radbox would be used.

With the Radbox and 120mm fan inbetween, how much clearance are we looking at between the backplate of the motherboard tray and the radiator itself?

The part that I'm concerned about it is:


The yellow line on the left hand side shows roughly where the left edge of the radiator would extend downwards and depending on how far from the backplate the radbox+120mm fan extends, it may or may not be enough clearance for the Ferrite video cables. The yellow line going across the image shows where the bottom of the radiator/pump might block another of the video output cables.

I'll have to make a cardboard cutout mockup and see for myself, unless there is a to-scale drawing I can print out of:
http://www.swiftnets.com/assets/imag...nsionsX800.jpg

[iceredwing]

so then it is confirmed that they won't be making a single radiator version?

[Captain_Harlock]

They couldnt does a single 120 version of this design and compete price wise with other LCLC systems like the corsair H50. Maninly becuase LCLC 120 solutions use cheaper, lower end pumps. This design is meant for the 350/355 series and the pump alone costs more than an LCLC kit. The best they could do is to bring back the swiftech h20-120 and most of us in 2010 would wonder why. Even the h2-120 kit used a modded 350/355 I think. So unless they decide to get into low in pumps for the LCLC market, I dont think we will see another 120 cooling kit from swiftech again. Besides, most people are begging the LCLC players to start making 240 and 360 kits. This is of course my two cents on the subject. I'm sure Gabe will have something to say about it.

[Waterlogged]

They couldnt does a single 120 version of this design and compete price wise with other LCLC systems like the corsair H50. Maninly becuase LCLC 120 solutions use cheaper, lower end pumps. This design is meant for the 350/355 series and the pump alone costs more than an LCLC kit. The best they could do is to bring back the swiftech h20-120 and most of us in 2010 would wonder why. Even the h2-120 kit used a modded 350/355 I think. So unless they decide to get into low in pumps for the LCLC market, I dont think we will see another 120 cooling kit from swiftech again. Besides, most people are begging the LCLC players to start making 240 and 360 kits. This is of course my two cents on the subject. I'm sure Gabe will have something to say about it.

Sorry, but this is exactly why Swiftech should make a 120 version. Sure it may not be as cheap as a LCLC but it would also perform at least 2x better than a LCLC, so in the end, it'd actually be worth the money, unlike those crap units. It would also give us a viable alternative to point to for those that are interested in a LCLC and still remain somewhat cost effective, without any of the black eyes associated with LCLC.

[Captain_Harlock]

Yeah, but they stopped producing it. I would have to assume its because it couldnt compete in the LCLC market with it. And since the 220 kits were just a wee bit more money for much better performance, one has to wonder why wouldnt you get the 220 or better? Of course we know that that the MCR120, a 350/355 pump (still dont know which one it had), and a decent block all combined in a short loop with only four ports will outperform any other single 120 LCLC on the market, but not at dollar to performance ratio. I mean, $70 for most LCLC compared to the old $130-$150 that the H20-120 tended to sell at. That has to be the reason the 120 line was dropped, or am I missing something here.

[Waterlogged]

Yeah, but they stopped producing it. I would have to assume its because it couldnt compete in the LCLC market with it. And since the 220 kits were just a wee bit more money for much better performance, one has to wonder why wouldnt you get the 220 or better? Of course we know that that the MCR120, a 350/355 pump (still dont know which one it had), and a decent block all combined in a short loop with only four ports will outperform any other single 120 LCLC on the market, but not at dollar to performance ratio. I mean, $70 for most LCLC compared to the old $130-$150 that the H20-120 tended to sell at. That has to be the reason the 120 line was dropped, or am I missing something here.

Actually, Swiftech still sells a H2O-120 kit. The current revision is the H2O-120 Compact, the one with the pump built into the block. The problems with those is the barbs seem to break a bit on the easy side and your sort of tied into a "certain block". Gabe sent out replacement parts for all the damaged ones I'm aware of but still, it seems like kind of a hassle, and your still tied into that same block...a 120 pump/rad combo would be the natural replacement for the Compact as it would certainly correct the "block problem".

[gabe]

Sorry, but this is exactly why Swiftech should make a 120 version. Sure it may not be as cheap as a LCLC but it would also perform at least 2x better than a LCLC, so in the end, it'd actually be worth the money, unlike those crap units. It would also give us a viable alternative to point to for those that are interested in a LCLC and still remain somewhat cost effective, without any of the black eyes associated with LCLC.

working on it.. but the cost of our pump alone = to the cost of their kit, reason why we released the dual and triple version first. But I agree that a 120 would be a good option for very space constrained applications, and since the pump comes with it, it would always be possible to add a second rad whenever feasible.

[OggeOJ]

Innovation right there, thinking of the thread "whats the next innovation going to be".

[meanmoe]

Actually, Swiftech still sells a H2O-120 kit. The current revision is the H2O-120 Compact, the one with the pump built into the block. The problems with those is the barbs seem to break a bit on the easy side and your sort of tied into a "certain block". Gabe sent out replacement parts for all the damaged ones I'm aware of but still, it seems like kind of a hassle, and your still tied into that same block...a 120 pump/rad combo would be the natural replacement for the Compact as it would certainly correct the "block problem".

I used to run this kit on an HTPC... nice kit. Unfortunately, as stated, your stuck with that (apogee?) block. It's still a nice compact little system.