The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

[trinibwoy]

You quoted someone saying he said that there wasn't going to be a 512sp card, and the you quoted him saying the top card is 512sp.

Yep, in the space of three days too. So why exactly are you making excuses for him when his own clearly contradictory words are plain to see?

[BenchZowner]

he said that there wasn't going to be a 512sp card, and the you quoted him saying the top card is 512sp.

And then he said that there will only be around 3000 512SP cards...
And after a while he'll say that there will be 8000 512SP cards...
And and and...

According to you he's right all the time.
He's right when he's wrong, and he's wrong when he's wrong, so he's right again.
Maybe he's one of the Gods

If you want to take everything he says for granted, then good for you

[SKYMTL]

Off course he is wrong, there's no problems with fermi, the months of delay and the respins are just because nvidia wants to give amd a chance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem

Basically, if someone writes enough FUD (like a thousand-word rant about NVIDIA, their chips, etc.), some of it may turn out being right but that doesn't equal KNOWLEDGE about the topic.

[DosDuoNo]

GTX 480 sale price UK £449.99
GTX 470 sale price UK £379.99

dont ask where i got these numbers cause i aint telling, but this is the recommended RRP for these parts come end of march

[SimBy]

I don't take what anyone says about Fermi for granted. Fact is though, a bunch of nV fanbois on this and many other forums were making some bold claims about Fermi (of course they all had veeeeerry reliable source) which all turned out to be nonsense. Add to that nV PR spinster Fuad and Theo and suddenly Charlie looks like a fscking genius.

SO as far as I'm concerned none of you know sjit about Fermi

[annihilat0r]

GTX 480 sale price UK £449.99
GTX 470 sale price UK £379.99

dont ask where i got these numbers cause i aint telling, but this is the recommended RRP for these parts come end of march

lolwut, so little difference between 470 and 480?

and 5970-like priced GTX 470? Great! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-HD5...7542041&sr=1-1

[BenchZowner]

GTX 480 sale price UK £449.99
GTX 470 sale price UK £379.99

dont ask where i got these numbers cause i aint telling, but this is the recommended RRP for these parts come end of march

Doesn't sound bad at all, especially if you consider the price gouging newegg usually does and the raised prices in the UK the last few months ( Germany seems to be the best place to buy computer components at the moment )

[annihilat0r]

Doesn't sound bad at all, especially if you consider the price gouging newegg usually does and the raised prices in the UK the last few months ( Germany seems to be the best place to buy computer components at the moment )

What are you talking about, at Amazon.co.uk a 5970 is selling for 420 pounds, and you're calling a 470 pound GTX 480 and a 380 pound GTX 470 "not bad at all"?

[StimulatedBoy]

All this over a graphics card, no wonders there's unrest in the world. Imagine the discussions here if it was over something really substantial, like world peace, Santa Claus...

[Iconyu]

What are you talking about, at Amazon.co.uk a 5970 is selling for 420 pounds, and you're calling a 470 pound GTX 480 and a 380 pound GTX 470 "not bad at all"?

They can put any price they want on it, when they don't have one in stock, a 5970 in the UK for under £500 is very rare.

[BenchZowner]

What are you talking about, at Amazon.co.uk a 5970 is selling for 420 pounds, and you're calling a 470 pound GTX 480 and a 380 pound GTX 470 "not bad at all"?

There's only a Sapphire 5970 under 500gbp and that's so unfortunately... out of stock
Cheapest 5970 in Europe is 535 euros in a few German shops ( didn't check availability ).
If the GTX 480's performance is where I've been informed and said in the past that it might be, meaning close to a 5970, then a UK price of 470gbp GTX 480 doesn't sound bad at all.

[annihilat0r]

But there are 5870's for 300 pounds.

A 470 selling for 380 pounds would be total fail.

[mapel110]

But there are 5870's for 300 pounds.

A 470 selling for 380 pounds would be total fail.

When the performance is as good as the price imagines, then there is no fail.

[insurgent]

Charlie got the Q1 2010 release of fermi right, and everyone who was making fun of him then choose to ignore it now, like, you know, benchzowner et al. It's very unlikely that was a wild guess, so any claims right now should be taken with a grain of salt.. charlie for being an nvidia hater, and most of his detractors for being fanboys.

Rumors are fun though.

[BenchZowner]

But there are 5870's for 300 pounds.

A 470 selling for 380 pounds would be total fail.

If it's just marginally ( 5% faster lets say ) than the 5870, then the price doesn't look good.
But it might be just a bad price from a specific shop.

We just have to wait and see ( there's nothing we can do about it you know )

[DosDuoNo]

GTX 285 - £289.99
GTX 470 - £379.99
GTX 295 - £429.99
GTX 480 - £449.99

here is how it sits in the price line up, this is what i am being told by two retail sources (buyers)

and to be honest this looks bang on the button, because you cant get a GTX 295 for love nor money, your only top end option will be the GTX 480.

and from what i am hearing the GTX470 is more than 5% faster than a 5870, more like 10 -15%, coupled with the close relationship with big game houses, this would make sense.

but as benchZowner is saying we still have to wait and see, im not here to get into a debate on what i hear, only to post it ;-)

[BenchZowner]

Charlie got the Q1 2010 release of fermi right.
It's very unlikely that was a wild guess

Yeah just like Q1 is just a monthly timeframe

Let me predict something... Intel will release the 6 core CPUs in 1-4 months from now

If there was a chance of Fermi slipping from the initial release plan from nVIDIA ( they intended to have it ready & launched in November { verified from various sources }, unless you believe they planned all this delay for fun )

and everyone who was making fun of him then choose to ignore it now, like, you know, benchzowner et al.

Charlie the chimp can't be ignored because he has a million sites recycling his ironically unbiased and 100% correct "news articles" every single day.
And yes, we everytime we hear about him we laugh out loud
He spits 1000 of lines about nVIDIA every day ( no he's not a hater, and he isn't biased at all ), he does have some sources [ some good some bad, some biased some unbiased ] but most of the times he pulls more than a couple dirty tricks and "insider info" right out of his as$.
Whenever he's wrong he backpedals in a certain way to make people believe that he was never wrong... right Charlie ?

[Teemax]

Some new cautious wording from Fudzilla:
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17889/1/

Nvidia's GTX 480 ends up faster than HD 5870 in some cases and according to Nvidia it is the fastest GPU on the market, or to be precise, it will be faster than the HD 5870 once it finally shows up.

We must note that we can confirm that it does happen in some cases, as Nvidia is still keeping the performance numbers for itself as it wants to keep AMD at its toes. Nvidia reps are pretty sure that AMD is still tapping in dark when it comes to Fermi. The GTX 480 is faster in Unigine Heaven benchmark in some situations where actual GPU power does matter.

All this is pretty good news for Nvidia, but it still has to launch the card, while AMD has been selling its HD 5000 series cards for months now.

I dunno. This smells bad for me. Everybody pretty much expects that GTX 480 will give HD 5870 a rough time. If it's only "faster in some cases" and quite bigger, then this is big trouble for Fermi as a GPU architecture.

[annihilat0r]

and from what i am hearing the GTX470 is more than 5% faster than a 5870, more like 10 -15%,

No way. This means a GTX 480 is on par with - actually even faster than a 5970 and I don't see that happening

I'll stick with my $300 GTX 470 that's on par with a 5870, and a $450 GTX 480 that's 20 percent faster than a 5870 theory

[LesGrossman]

Yep, in the space of three days too. So why exactly are you making excuses for him when his own clearly contradictory words are plain to see?

He said in 20\02 there was going to be a 512sp, someone said today he was going start to back peddling because in fact there is going to be a 512sp, and you agreed, do i need to make a drawing or it's this enough? And i don't know how why correcting in 20\02 something he said in 17\02 is a bad thing.
The site is called SemiAccurate... get it? So why would that be

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Bravo, your quote coundn't have been more selective and out of context, of course you ignored the rest, it would have only aggravated you nervous breakdown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem

Basically, if someone writes enough FUD (like a thousand-word rant about NVIDIA, their chips, etc.), some of it may turn out being right but that doesn't equal KNOWLEDGE about the topic.

So where's the knowledge about the topic? On this thread?

[kemo]

Whenever he's wrong he backpedals in a certain way to make people believe that he was never wrong... right Charlie ?

Our source wasn't correct this time , it is not our fault we are just telling the truth

[FischOderAal]

Some new cautious wording from Fudzilla:
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17889/1/

Wow. If Fudzilla writes something like this the performance must be bad. I mean, "faster than HD 5870 in some cases". Ouch...

[Olivon]

Wow. If FUDO writes something like this the performance must be bad. I mean, "faster than HD 5870 in some cases". Ouch...

Remindz me when Fudo was more "red" :

Radeon 4850 goes against 8800GT

8800GTX/9800GTX will win against Radeon 4850, but they are the other price category that is much closer or level with the price of Radeon 4870.

You know what happened ...

[FischOderAal]

You know what happened ...

I do. Hopefully they are wrong again ^^ I sure hope GTX 480 does not only win "in some cases"... I somehow expected at least 20 percent better performance than HD 5870.

[Musho]

Remindz me when Fudo was more "red" :

Radeon 4850 goes against 8800GT



You know what happened ...

He was actually correct in that article. That _was_ actually ATI's plan all along. Thing is, they managed to do some lastminute tweaks, which allowed them to use more shaders on the die. Far more than they had initially had hoped for. It even surprised ATI themselves.