Can anyone rate the primochill Typhoon III?

[BoxGods]

The sad part about this whole train wreck is that it all could have been avoided with some basic pre-release testing.

I got a couple of pretty early release T3 samples and made everyone aware of some fundamental design flaws which could have easily been picked up on and corrected had any sort of pre testing been done but this was way to late as a full production run had already been made and retailer shelves were already being stacked but little did anyone realise at that point, the T3 was literally a ticking time bomb waiting to be installed into countless systems around the world.

Six months down the line and forums all around the globe are literally littered with the carnage this little plastic toy res has left in it wake and guess what.....there is nobody going to be held accountable for all the broken hardware never mind the res itself.

I said at the time, i was, and still am a fan of this type of res/pump combo due to how it can be mounted in a couple of drive bays but i can only presume that testing was totally sacrificed due to the pull of making money.....and lots of it judging by how many people have these.

My own experience....

I got my two T3's installed into the Zotac mod which was shipped to Denmark for an nVidia conference but on its arrival the entire Skulltrail system including two GTX295's was a soggy mess due to total failure of both T3's and never to work again so i didn't come out of this one unscathed.

I'm sorry i have little sympathy for how this turned out as it all could have been avoided had greed been put aside and some simple testing put in place but instead it was decided to use the buying public as Guinea Pigs which just isn't acceptable in my book.

I know little of the relationship between Brian and Geno but is it any wonder the two parties have fallen out and the mud slinging started when nether is prepared to accept responsibility yet prefer to blame each other in an open forum which IMO is probably the only good thing to come out of this so hopefully we won't get burned with another epic fail any time soon.

Insightful post as always. The reality though was that the parts were tested extensively before any products shipped. Though I was not the official testing entity I personally beat the crap out of dozens of T3's early on. I still have most of them in fact. The last batch of samples I tested were bullet proof. I took a fully assembled T3 and hurled it at the floor of my shop. It is that thin industrial carpet over concrete, no padding. The corner that hit chipped off about a quarter inch in either direction and that was the extent of the damage. Hardly a scientific test I know, but when I do the same test on a T3 now it literally shatters into many smaller parts. Common sense says something is different between the two runs of parts.

The mistake is assuming that the company that made the samples, which is also the company that did the China production runs made every successive production run to the same standards as they did on the initial test samples. It is impossible to look at two crystal clear parts and know if one was processed differently.

Although I am not a fan of injection molded clear plastics in mission critical (holding water under pressure) applications based on my experiences with the T3 development process, meaning I would not do it again because it's a PITA, the concept and design are still a very viable product if one relatively simple step in the process is guaranteed. Annealing. I do believe that the poor mix ratios (way too much UV stabilizer) in the Chinese shop was a big factor in the cracking issue we saw in later runs of parts but the major issue is that parts were not annealed. This is just my opinion and as always I will state I am not a plastics expert by any stretch.

When plastics are molded uneven heating and cooling cause "built in" stresses. It is a very well known and documented factor in molded plastics and is removed by slowly heating the plastic parts to a preset temperature, holding the part at that temperature for a preset time, then allowing for a gradual and controlled cooling. The entire process is usually performed in special ovens that have a specific gas in them. Don't take my word for it, Google "Plastic Annealing" and you will find tons of information on the subject.

If you remove the built in stresses the plastic is stronger and there are no more built in stresses and the cracking issue goes away. The parts should be tapped first then annealed as the tapping process will also build in stresses and weaken the threads.

I know parts for 500 units shipped from California and although my shop will not be doing post production I doubt Brian is going to risk more failures by not having the parts annealed. Believe me I have made him aware of the importance of annealing including links to articles on it so I just can't imagine he is not going to have it done.

[DarthBeavis]

Doesn't posting about the T3 violate the forum policy on discussing crackz?

[Utnorris]

Doesn't posting about the T3 violate the forum policy on discussing crackz?

I have no idea if this is a joke or your being serious.

[Dreddy71]

Nice one DB.
Well, the spelling with a "z" leads me to believe the software hacking is implied. DB's got a good head on his shoulders, with plenty of humor too.

Now I think I'm going to have to buy a new res for my build. That's a shame.

[Sadasius]

WTF, this anin't no joke, alot of people are out money+hardware+ more money. I have a shiny plastic paper weight!

From one San Ace collector to another.....It does not help to get all excited about it either. A good laugh is good for you from time to time. Everyone handles the stress differently. I know I had to laugh at my last disaster to keep from going crazy angry and eating my neighbours again. Ummmmm strike that last remark from the record...

[the finisher]

From one San Ace collector to another.....It does not help to get all excited about it either. A good laugh is good for you from time to time. Everyone handles the stress differently. I know I had to laugh at my last disaster to keep from going crazy angry and eating my neighbours again. Ummmmm strike that last remark from the record...

Yea, but it's kinda bad timing. I'd buy another res. but money's real tight now, alot of that going around.

I have to admit, if the replacements aren't any good. My warranty is worth 0, and as such I'm now pissed, sorry

Ahh not really!

[space_pope]

Wow. Gonna be spreading this news around.

Primochill better get their act together before the entire watercooling community boycotts them.

[BoxGods]

I will be getting a Delrin model out as soon as I can but I will be starting from Scratch. I have no doubt Brian will alter the design a little and get one out sooner. Either way you will have options here shortly.

I am just going to make the best parts I can and not worry about it. I have no doubt that deep down Brian knows producing my designs is plain and simple theft. My wife just put in perspective for me, She said he may sugar coat or try to rationalize it or think he is OK with stealing my work but he WILL know what kind of man he is, his wife will know, and they will know we know. I am still holding out hope that he will do the right thing, but if he doesn't...then he doesn't.

I also am a big believer in Karma. Mines in good shape.

[hchristian]

Please do not say sorry to me. They are ignoring me as well. I have ended my relationship with them and am no longer doing the post and packaging on the T3. They are pretty much blackmailing me by saying I either give up my share of the PROFITS from the T3 and the new Split Window reservoir or they will steal all my designs.

Unfortunately at this point I do not think their is an amicable solution that does not involve a lawsuit. On the upside, thanks to working with them for three years I am so broke that I don't have anything left to loose. I will do anything and everything in my power to make sure that if they DO steal my designs it will cost them more then they make. If that means free designs for every company on earth that competes with them then so be it. If I have to personally oversee manufacturing for them for free, so be it.

Cease and desists, lawsuits and counter-suites and all the associated drama to follow.

There is nothing more dangerous then a man that has nothing to loose.

What nerve! To collect profits when people are out of money, hardware and time.

They should be issuing recalls and refunding money.

[DarthBeavis]

WTF, this anin't no joke, alot of people are out money+hardware+ more money. I have a shiny plastic paper weight!

I have been water-cooling long enough to have lost hardware here and there. If you can't joke around about it you should go to air-cooling. Its either laugh or cry. A word of advice based on my experience: When water-cooling, use protection:

[Petra]

When water-cooling, use protection:

DB, I don't know what we'd do around here without your sense of humor...

[the finisher]

what nerve! To collect profits when people are out of money, hardware and time.

They should be issuing recalls and refunding money.

yes!

[the finisher]

I have been water-cooling long enough to have lost hardware here and there. If you can't joke around about it you should go to air-cooling. Its either laugh or cry. A word of advice based on my experience: When water-cooling, use protection:

I am using protection, Rubbermaid catch basin.

[rogueagent6]

I will be getting a Delrin model out as soon as I can but I will be starting from Scratch. I have no doubt Brian will alter the design a little and get one out sooner. Either way you will have options here shortly.

I am just going to make the best parts I can and not worry about it. I have no doubt that deep down Brian knows producing my designs is plain and simple theft. My wife just put in perspective for me, She said he may sugar coat or try to rationalize it or think he is OK with stealing my work but he WILL know what kind of man he is, his wife will know, and they will know we know. I am still holding out hope that he will do the right thing, but if he doesn't...then he doesn't.

I also am a big believer in Karma. Mines in good shape.

Once you have it ready PM me here, I'll be buying yours, not Brian's. Might even get two. Yes, Karma can be a .

[BoxGods]

@rogueagent6 -- Thanks but it is going to take a while unfortunately.

And about DB...just be thankful he isn't posting his big girls images...enough to put you off your feed...and I even like the big girls lol.

[DarthBeavis]

@rogueagent6 -- Thanks but it is going to take a while unfortunately.

And about DB...just be thankful he isn't posting his big girls images...enough to put you off your feed...and I even like the big girls lol.

or my midget images . . . .

[MeeksMan13]

wow, i was planning on buying the primochill colored tubing, but now after reading through all of this, I think I'm gonna have to go with feser

[DarthBeavis]

wow, i was planning on buying the primochill colored tubing, but now after reading through all of this, I think I'm gonna have to go with feser

The Feser/DD stuff is just as good. You have to buy it from DD I think.

[MeeksMan13]

The Feser/DD stuff is just as good. You have to buy it from DD I think.

Good deal, cause after reading this stuff, I'm not putting ANY money in the pockets of Primochill

[DarthBeavis]

Good deal, cause after reading this stuff, I'm not putting ANY money in the pockets of Primochill

all the 3/8" stuff here. I will check the other stuff when I am at DD Saturday to see what the bend radius is like. The 3/8" was specifically designed to be a Tygon replacement and has kick arse bend radius and looks sweet.
http://www.dangerden.com/store/uv-reactive-tubing/

[Sadasius]

Just hate the damn UV black though as it looks purple. After I got some I did not use it. In the dark though it looks black but when you turn the UV on it is a bright blue. Just too weird. Wish they had just black....I mean a real black and not purple like Feser/DD or brownish like Primochill.

[MeeksMan13]

all the 3/8" stuff here. I will check the other stuff when I am at DD Saturday to see what the bend radius is like. The 3/8" was specifically designed to be a Tygon replacement and has kick arse bend radius and looks sweet.
http://www.dangerden.com/store/uv-reactive-tubing/

I was hoping to put 7/16" red UV tubing in my loop when I change over, but it looks like if I want red, non-primochill, i'll have to go with 1/2" and clamps

[millertime359]

Wow BG, I'm surprised at Brian. I'll be getting a replacement from you when you get them going. Seems a PrimoChill boycott is in order.

[BoxGods]

As much as I appreciate the support guys, DB will tell you that I am a firm believer that the work comes first meaning that the quality of your build is more important then me getting screwed. Primo Flex LRT is a great product, no point in compromising your build.

[sniperbob]

quality of builds and loops IS very important to a lot of people on these forums, which is why we support people like you BG. If it means going as far as not ordering PrimoChill tubing when I do my next drain-and-fill because of the bad taste this thread has left me with, then so be it.