Well after topping out at 4300 stable and figuring out my ram limitations that where actually quite good if i need to push to 4500 .. Im back at 4.0 lowering my vtt and and reference as low as possible to see how low I cant get my vcore , once I hit that I'm go back up 100mhz at a time adjusting vtt and vcore as needed to stable at higher speeds ... here's last night results not the best but not the worst either

Intel Q9650 @ 4050 4 4 4 10 1.1 Stable Setup A