God damn it... I was about to hit the buy button on 5870 though 28NM looks even better.
I'll never be able to buy a new Video card at this rate.
God damn it... I was about to hit the buy button on 5870 though 28NM looks even better.
I'll never be able to buy a new Video card at this rate.
You'll be waiting a long time if you hold off.Originally Posted by Kurz
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ATI historically has tried new processes on small GPUs like when the 4770 came out. It would make sense that that's the case here as well.
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not sure they could do that this time. they already use 128bit on their mid range cards, they cant get that much lower. if anything they might ONLY make mobile gpus on 28nm to test it out, where 64bit super slow gddr5 wont be missed as much.
Given that the fab process is going well; what does this mean for Dozer? Does this mean Bulldozer is now going to be made on a 28nm fab later this year?
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Remember, they didn't exactly go with the largest bus possible for the die size. A 28nm shrink of Cypress they are probably aiming for ~200mm2 and have some room to play with some specs while being able to fit a 256bit bus on there.
28nm Juniper is looking closer to ~100mm2, so they might have to throw some clusters on there to get a 128bit bus.
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The 3870 was the first product on 55nm, was it not?
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3870 was a midrange GPU.
I believe you're mistaken. 3870 was top end when it was released, and remained there until the 3870 X2 was released.
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The 3870 was never a high end card, it might have been to ATI, but the rest of the enthusiast world did not consider it a high end card. The 8800GT was beating it hands down in every game tested. 8800GT was a $200 card at the time. The 3800 still struggled with AA.
It was indeed high end in the ATI lineup, replacing the 2900XT. The status of nvidias products at the time is irelevant. The 5870 doesn change the position of the gtx285 in nvidia's lineup, does it? Nor does the i7 on the phenom II line. Each manufacturer has their own product line, and at the time the 3870 was at the top of ATI's.
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as far as i recall yes, it was out very shortly after the 2900
midrange to what? performance was very close to the 2900, but used half the power. the 4870 did beat it, and was bigger and used more power, but came out months later
The 3870 came out 6 months after the 2900, and was a refresh of the R600 on 55nm. Then the 4800's came about 6-8 months after that. Ati was on a pretty consistent release cycle when the process technology was ahead of them...now it seems they're ahead of it.
those wafer shots show a test chip, im pretty sure...
its not a gpu or cpu, its way to heterogenous for that...
In what universe?
Technically yes. But it was just a tweaked 65nm process used on the 2600 and 2400 series not a genuine. This is really more of a way of one upping Intel's 65, 45 and 32nm with 55nm, 40nm and 28nm processes than a genuine node change from improved tech. It's marketing really
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