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    AMD shows 28nm wafer GlobalFoundries to meet new card?

    AMD split came from the foundry, today once again demonstrated the GlobalFoundries wafer 28nm process, and not a simple repetition of half a year ago.

    2009年6月初,GlobalFoundries刚刚宣布纽约工厂Fab 2即将正式动工,就拿出了45nm、32nm、28nm等多种工艺的晶圆,其中最先进的28nm还支持SR AM Bulk测试品,没有实际用途。 Early June 2009, GlobalFoundries just announced that Fab 2 facility in New York will soon commence work on the come up with 45nm, 32nm, 28nm wafer process etc., which also supports the most advanced 28nm test SRAM Bulk goods, there is no practical purpose.

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    translation is not that great but, it looks like later this year 28nm products will be launched...yay!
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    So it possible to see HD6000 before xmas, great.

    Even a HD5000 improved chip.


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    This chinese article is translated from semiaccurate....

    http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/01/...wafer-spotted/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nintendork View Post
    About the 890GX, is it the same RV620 or a RV710?
    Since it's capable of hybrid crossfire with cedar, it should be a "RV810".
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    GlobalFoundries表示,28nm工艺进展顺利,今年下半年就会正式投产
    This sentence says that 28nm process is in good progress, second half of this year would be in mass production
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    Quote Originally Posted by haylui View Post
      

    This sentence says that 28nm process is in good progress, second half of this year would be in mass production
    Amazing! Really good news!
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    Lower numbers are always exciting. Makes sense for 6Ks due to the timing.
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    excellent news

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    I believe i saw a roadmap somewhere that put the 5890 on 28nm process- Should be the refresh for later this year.

    That die looks more like the small gpus you guys mentioned, but it is good to see that they have the process working well enough for production, at least.
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    God damn it... I was about to hit the buy button on 5870 though 28NM looks even better.
    I'll never be able to buy a new Video card at this rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurz View Post
    God damn it... I was about to hit the buy button on 5870 though 28NM looks even better.
    I'll never be able to buy a new Video card at this rate.
    You'll be waiting a long time if you hold off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle View Post
    You'll be waiting a long time if you hold off.

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    ATI historically has tried new processes on small GPUs like when the 4770 came out. It would make sense that that's the case here as well.
    not sure they could do that this time. they already use 128bit on their mid range cards, they cant get that much lower. if anything they might ONLY make mobile gpus on 28nm to test it out, where 64bit super slow gddr5 wont be missed as much.

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    Seems ATi is preparing Anti-Fermi weapon, maybe will not win by a large margin to fermi (all depends how "overpowered" fermi is going to be) then wham suddenly the marketing team comes in action and says "hey we have 28nm they don't and at a better price too!" and price is the key to success...
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    Given that the fab process is going well; what does this mean for Dozer? Does this mean Bulldozer is now going to be made on a 28nm fab later this year?
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    28nm is bulk i think.

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    Bulldozer will be on 32nm HKMG SOI. AMD and Intel don't make CPUs on half nodes. 45 > 32 > 22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle View Post
    Bulldozer will be on 32nm HKMG SOI. AMD and Intel don't make CPUs on half nodes. 45 > 32 > 22
    If BUlldozer die is too big, I think AMD will do...........
    28nm SOI+high-k meta gate.
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    what's the harm of doing bulldozer on 28nm?

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    It just won't happen. I can't recall them ever making a CPU on a half node. It's not like GF can just pick up and start doing 28nm HKMG SOI because they have bulk. Nor can AMD simply decide they want to move their design to bulk if it was developed for SOI. It isn't that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helloworld_98 View Post
    what's the harm of doing bulldozer on 28nm?
    To build a 28nm product you need to start with a 28nm toolkit and 28nm components.

    You can't just shrink a 32nm design to 28nm like you shrink the font in a document.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle View Post
    It just won't happen. I can't recall them ever making a CPU on a half node. It's not like GF can just pick up and start doing 28nm HKMG SOI because they have bulk. Nor can AMD simply decide they want to move their design to bulk if it was developed for SOI. It isn't that simple.
    But the graphics part of Fusion would be shrink from bulk to SOI, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle View Post
    ATI historically has tried new processes on small GPUs like when the 4770 came out. It would make sense that that's the case here as well.
    The 3870 was the first product on 55nm, was it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattkosem View Post
    The 3870 was the first product on 55nm, was it not?
    3870 was a midrange GPU.

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