Well let me start off by saying that i was once a ati fanboy, and yes they release new cards every week and they are good for the level minded gamer, but for anything more there worthless. Let me explain why, first off about a year and a half ago i had a pair of 4870x2 in quadfire = expensive pieces of dung not only did i got through 4 cards in total the most i was able to squeeze of them was 24k on vantage performance setting! about 6 months ago i got a pair of MSI single pcb gtx295's for $470 each new!!! and off the bat with slight overclocks i squeezed out 32k with phsyx off and 40k with physx on in vantage, i desimate all games, trust me, the cards came stock at 576 core, but for every day use i run a 680 and for benchmark only at 690 and thats with stock air cooling, and if you dont believe me check my build out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Kg44P88wg

and my latest upgrades:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfbX9itqyz8

and it gets better, cause when i herd ati was gonna release the 5970, i told myself its time to upgrade but not when i saw this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np4B9pDoqz8

i know there at stock clocks but are you serious? these cards cant out perform cards that have been out for sale more than a year now, even tho there overclocked?????



P.S. if i were to go water on the gtx295's ill be in the 36k or more i doubt 5970 at 1ghz in crossfire could get there, and please dont tell me its cause of the drivers.... cause im still waiting for the drivers everyone promised on my 4870x2's lol ati cards scale horribly