The GT300/Fermi Thread

[ajaidev]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

2010 INTERNATIONAL CONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW (South Hall 4 – Booth #35912), Las Vegas — Jan. 6, 2010 —It’s clear that 2010 is poised to be the year of 3D and NVIDIA is leading the charge to bring 3D to the computing masses. At this year’s CES show in Las Vegas, NVIDIA is showcasing a host of new products and technologies that show how PCs based on GeForce® GPUs along with the NVIDIA 3D Vision™ hardware and software ecosystem are the platforms best suited to make 3D pervasive for all PC entertainment, including Blu-ray 3D movies, games, photos, and even the Web.

On display in the booth, NVIDIA is demonstrating 3D Vision technology running on:
Desktop PCs using new 3D Vision-Ready, 1080p, 120Hz LCD panels from leading display companies, including Acer, Alienware, and others.
New 3D-Vision-ready notebooks from leading notebook manufacturers, all equipped with new state-of-the-art 120Hz 3D capable displays.
NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround, the world’s first consumer, multi-display 3D solution which allows users to span 3D content across 3 high definition monitors or projectors for a truly breathtaking and immersive gaming experience! NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround does for 3D PC gaming just like what IMAX® 3D does for movies.
In addition to the great 3D hardware, there is also a ton of cool, compelling content on display, all viewed in 3D when used with the 3D Vision active-shutter glasses. Of note:
New Blu-ray 3D software players, including Arsoft’s TotalMedia Theatre 3 and Cyberlink’s PowerDVD Ultra
Blu-ray 3D content, including 3D movie trailers for Disney’s Toy Story 3, A Christmas Carol, Alice in Wonderland, and more.
The hottest PC games running in full 1080p stereoscopic 3D, including James Cameron’s Avatar: The Game, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Dark Void, Just Cause 2, Need for Speed: Shift, and more.
Plus,
The world’s first sneak peek of YouTube 3D, running on a 3D technology demonstration version of the Adobe® Flash® Player software that is viewable with NVIDIA 3D Vision glasses in full color.
For those able to come to CES, NVIDIA will also be hosting a 3D photo booth. Come by and have your picture taken in 3D with the new Fujifilm FinePix REAL 3D W1 digital camera. Pictures from the show will be made available online for viewing.

Also, get a truly immersive, hands-on gaming experience with NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround which can be seen in NVIDIA’s CES booth in the South Hall 4 #35745, running on DepthQ HD 3D projectors and Acer GD245HQ 1080p LCD displays.

For more information about NVIDIA 3D Vision technology and the 3D Vision ecosystem, please visit: www.nvidia.com/3DVision.

Thanks LibertySyclone from hardforum

[neliz]

neliz did you screen cap it the link is down

Nope :/ edit: I see you've done an excellent job tracking the press release though!

BTW weren't you on rage3d ?? I do remember you name there amm maybe i am wrong or it maybe was b3d...

Yes An awesome (if I say so myself) F@H until I got caught at work when I ran F@H on servers we were preparing for the Dutch ministry of Foreign Affairs

(they never found the 50 P4HT's I ran it on as well )

[Manicdan]

NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround, the world’s first consumer, multi-display 3D solution which allows users to span 3D content across 3 high definition monitors or projectors for a truly breathtaking and immersive gaming experience! NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround does for 3D PC gaming just like what IMAX® 3D does for movies.

not sure what its going to be like to have 3d across bezels. i dont think it would be nearly as easy to get use too as standard 2d pictures.

The hottest PC games running in full 1080p stereoscopic 3D, including James Cameron’s Avatar: The Game, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Dark Void, Just Cause 2, Need for Speed: Shift, and more.

which of those are the hottest? seriously id like to know cause i have no intention of playing any of them at this point.

[annihilat0r]

I think Nvidia will keep B:AA in their "currently hottest games" list until 2045.

[***Deimos***]

For anyone hoping a for a pricedrop of Cypress parts soon. the Distributor price for one HD5850 is currently €224.40, excluding 20% VAT, I can't see Fermi pushing this price down anytime soon and this should be an indication of it's price after launch.

edit: Richard Huddy commented on Fermi's die size saying it's nearly 50% bigger then Cypress and should beat it.


So again, the "surprising Die Size" rumours have been heard since May by types like Fudo and Theo, who simply write whatever nvPR tells them, even though it's false.

And where did you find folks naive enough to think Fermi would win in price war? nVidia priced higher is as certain as Intel priced higher than AMD.

The question is if the Fermi performance/feature lead (if any), will justify the price - by the time its launched, everybody worldwide will have had almost 1/2 year to buy a HD5870.

PS: Slim chance, but hoping nVidia comes up with better reasons to upgrade than 32AA or 300fps in L4D. If they still have that developer whip, now's the time to use it (instead of DX11 not important BS). After all, without the games, what's the point of a new video card?

[Bodkin]

PS: Slim chance, but hoping nVidia comes up with better reasons to upgrade than 32AA or 300fps in L4D. If they still have that developer whip, now's the time to use it (instead of DX11 not important BS). After all, without the games, what's the point of a new video card?

You just hit the head on the nail so hard it exploded, not sure why I even got this 5870

[kgk]

You just hit the head on the nail so hard it exploded, not sure why I even got this 5870

I was saying that last year, that to me it seemed like the 5870 was a waste of money for gamers since refreshes would be out before the extra horsepower was needed. And it has nothing to do with being a fan of either NV or ATI, just that the majority of the popular titles could be played just fine on a 4890OC, GTX285, GTX295 or 4870X2. There are still no major DX11 titles (Dirt2....*snerk*), and the majority of gamers really don't need all the extra power in a card that is going to be surpassed within the next few months anyway with Fermi (supposedly) and the rumored 5890's and possible 5870X2 refresh. No real need to upgrade until we see more DX11 and graphically intensive titles.

I mean, from a benchmarking standpoint, yea get the fastest thing you can get. But from an actual consumer perspective, what's the draw of a DX11 card that barely scrapes out 10 more FPS in Crysis Warhead. I mean it's not really moving stuff that was unplayable on the previous cards into playable territory. So you can crank the AA up from 4x to 8x and the AF from 8x to 16x and get the same frame rates. So what? Does the minuscule bump in settings warrant another play through of a 2 year old title? I guess maybe to some small segment of people it does.

I would imagine the first DX11 titles being played on first iteration DX11 hardware are going to tax those cards pretty hard. Seems like if you really want to be able to crank everything out with DX11 at high resolutions that you'd wait for refreshes before going off the deep end with respect to the $400+ GPU market.... Not like we're going to see DX11 exclusive titles any time soon.

It's not an indictment of people who did choose to buy a 5870, I just don't see the appeal, particularly to those who already had the four cards I listed above...

[tajoh111]

I was saying that last year, that to me it seemed like the 5870 was a waste of money for gamers since refreshes would be out before the extra horsepower was needed. And it has nothing to do with being a fan of either NV or ATI, just that the majority of the popular titles could be played just fine on a 4890OC, GTX285, GTX295 or 4870X2. There are still no major DX11 titles (Dirt2....*snerk*), and the majority of gamers really don't need all the extra power in that card that is going to be surpassed within the next few months anyway with Fermi (supposedly) and the rumored 5890's and possible 5870X2 refresh. No real need to upgrade until we see more DX11 and graphically intensive titles.

I mean, from a benchmarking standpoint, yea get the fastest thing you can get. But from an actual consumer perspective, what's the draw of a DX11 card that barely scrapes out 10 more FPS in Crysis Warhead. I mean it's not really moving stuff that was unplayable on the previous cards into playable territory. So you can crank the AA up from 4x to 8x and the AF from 8x to 16x and get the same frame rates. So what? Does the minuscule bump in settings warrant a play through of a 2 year old title? I guess maybe to some small segment of people it does.

I would imagine the first DX11 titles being played on first iteration DX11 hardware are going to tax those cards pretty hard. Seems like if you really want to be able to crank everything out with DX11 at high resolutions that you'd wait for refreshes before going off the deep end with respect to the $400+ GPU market.... Not like we're going to see DX11 exclusive titles any time soon.

It's not an indictment of people who did choose to buy a 5870, I just don't see the appeal, particularly to those who already had the four cards I listed above...

I crazily agree as well. The lack of games is pretty intense.

[kgk]

I crazily agree as well. The lack of games is pretty intense.

My clan (or group of friends since we don't really compete anymore) find ourselves saying that every dang week.

"Hey let's play....ugh...not L4D2 again"
"Is there something new out yet?
"No"
"&§%$&/"&%§$!!!!!"

*end up playing L4D2*

[flippin_waffles]

Well you should all try playing them again on an Eyefinity setup. From what I hear it breathes new life into older games too!

[BenchZowner]

And where did you find folks naive enough to think Fermi would win in price war? nVidia priced higher is as certain as Intel priced higher than AMD.

In another universe maybe the superior product can be cheaper than the inferior product B.
In this world, if A's better than B, then A is most of the times ( if it's not somebody's going to get fired from manufacturer A ) it'll be more expensive.
Especially when we're talking about well-known brands and not a new boy on the block.

[Nedjo]

My clan (or group of friends since we don't really compete anymore) find ourselves saying that every dang week.

"Hey let's play....ugh...not L4D2 again"
"Is there something new out yet?
"No"
"&§%$&/"&%§$!!!!!"

*end up playing L4D2*

I like your "title" and remind me of my upgrade motivation: ever since Radeon HD 3870 I'm upgrading my GFX with each new generation 'cos of the fact that I want to reply Crysis again on higher level of detail (well thats about 92% of the reasons for jumping on to 4870, and now on 5870)!

I have 24" HP, and it's must to play in native 19x12! After that comes details, and 30 fps is required (when you play Crysis with XBOX 360 Joypad you really don't need more - yeah always is good to have as much as higher fps, but dynamic of joypad gaming, and speed of turning around lets you pass by with 30fps on average)

And once I'm done with Crysis (and WARHEAD) I replay all over again my favorite shooters

Hopefully I'll manage some time soon to play Crysis again on 5870 on Very High.

And it's amazing that years after publishing there's game that can come close to Crysis on Very High (or Warhead on Enthusiasts). First reall competitor (IMHO) is Bad Company 2! Frostbite 2 engine really looks gorgeous, and it is fast!

Now back on topic: CES is on, do we have any interesting info bout GF100??

[m.fox]

I have 24" HP, and it's must to play in native 19x12! After that comes details, and 30 fps is required (when you play Crysis with XBOX 360 Joypad you really don't need more - yeah always is good to have as much as higher fps, but dynamic of joypad gaming, and speed of turning around lets you pass by with 30fps on average)

While you are at it, you could do yourself a favor and buy a Panny/Pio 720p/1080p PDP. Even in "just" 720p, it will slaughter any "pro" monitor you can come up with when it comes to gaming/motion. And Crysis on an enormous dynamic range display is a feast for the retinas.

And it's amazing that years after publishing there's not a game that can come close to Crysis on Very High (or Warhead on Enthusiasts). First reall competitor (IMHO) is Bad Company 2! Frostbite 2 engine really looks gorgeous, and it is fast!

Fixed.

It's not even close when it comes to fidelity. They have totally different design goals, it's just not comparable and there's really no need to do it. Both (three ) games are/will be great.

[Teemax]

While you are at it, you could do yourself a favor and buy a Panny/Pio 720p/1080p PDP. Even in "just" 720p, it will slaughter any "pro" monitor you can come up with when it comes to gaming/motion. And Crysis on an enormous dynamic range display is a feast for the retinas.

And why exactly is that?
You do understand that even 1080p is a rather pathetic resolution for PC monitor? If you like coarse image quality (due to the enormouse pixel pitch), then yeah, go for it I guess.

[neliz]

And it's amazing that years after publishing there's game that can come close to Crysis on Very High (or Warhead on Enthusiasts). First reall competitor (IMHO) is Bad Company 2! Frostbite 2 engine really looks gorgeous, and it is fast!

Adjust your opinion, BC2 runs on Frostbite, not Frostbite2 (I have facts to back that up)

Now back on topic: CES is on, do we have any interesting info bout GF100??

Press is supposed to get some samples this week. Now I'm not sure of the numbers, I know that for the Cypress launch not even all the websites got cards.

[ajaidev]

combination of peanut butter and chocolate, Jack Daniels and Coke, and macaroni and cheese = NVIDIA 3D Vision Technology "For me that equals vomit"

and

Of course, you can also use our Surround technology in 2D mode too, but why would you want to game in a flat environment? "So it can basically become eyefinity and you can use cheap 2D monitors with it yay...

http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/201...echnology.html

At least there is 2d 3 monitor support which i like very much, 3d displays are tooo expensive for my taste but its a nice addin for the future tough.

Nope :/ edit: I see you've done an excellent job tracking the press release though!



Yes An awesome (if I say so myself) F@H until I got caught at work when I ran F@H on servers we were preparing for the Dutch ministry of Foreign Affairs

(they never found the 50 P4HT's I ran it on as well )

I did remember then been ages i have forgotten the password for rage3d

2004-2005 were my active years in rage3d

[neliz]

How will the run it on a GTX285 without running SLI/Take the Quadro approach.

edit: I haven't folded since 2004 and am still #219 over at Rage3D /37000 overall.

[Zed_X]

No one reviewer will get GeForce 300 this week, NVIDIA will send samples later in february. But they will have many infos about GeForce architecture, features, performance - but no CLOCKS! In few days NDA lifts (someone will leak it, for sure) and every server will bring article about it, be patient.

[neliz]

Only question I still have is they managed to get clocks over 700Mhz or they're staying below it.

[ajaidev]

Only question I still have is they managed to get clocks over 700Mhz or they're staying below it.

I was told below 700mhz but then again the guy works with intel not nvidia...

No one reviewer will get GeForce 300 this week, NVIDIA will send samples later in february. But they will have many infos about GeForce architecture, features, performance - but no CLOCKS! In few days NDA lifts (someone will leak it, for sure) and every server will bring article about it, be patient.

That means no real game benchs just some nvidia cooked up in house benchs

[neliz]

Rys from B3D said he would probably get one this week, now I don't know if he's considered a "reviewer" in that sense..

[Andrea deluxe]

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/n...07_340953.html

[saaya]

NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround, the world’s first consumer, multi-display 3D solution which allows users to span 3D content across 3 high definition monitors or projectors for a truly breathtaking and immersive gaming experience! NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround does for 3D PC gaming just like what IMAX® 3D does for movies.

hehehe i predicted this when ati launched their 6 monitor stuff

i think for 3d displays having a bezel between the screens is REALLY annoying though... its way worse than in 2d...

nothing new really... i had hoped they would have 240hz panels or bezel less 3d panels : /

[NaMcO]

Sexy...

[WeeMaan]

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/n...07_340953.html

Nice find!
It looks pretty big, about over 11 inch for sure.