Intel i5 6XX and i3 5XX Reviews

[gallag]

First page and wee already have the "AMD is better and if the results dont show it that is because the review sites are paid by Intel" guys all fired up.

[saaya]

QM57 and QS57... same chipset, but one costs 10% more than the other... rofl... rip off anybody?

i dont get the memory speed cap either...
ddr3 800 is harder to find than ddr3 2200, and even the worst ddr3 chip out there can run ddr3 1333, easily... so why do they cripple their platforms like that? its not really hurting perf notably, but still... why cripple perf?
it seems like there is some cripple mania virus running through intel these days... x58 is crippled (no qpi multi below 18x), pineview is heavily crippled (ddr2, no pciE, no HD video), i3 is crippled (only 800 and 1066 and your forced to use intels igp)

im confused by anandtechs review...
1.) memory performance and latency is the same or worse than 775
2.) power consumption is higher than 775
3.) igp perf is much better than G45, about the same as 790 and 9400

now id conclude from that, that if i want a cheap basic system with igp, it makes more sense to buy a 775 or amd igp system. especially if you take into account that 775 and am2/am3 are cheaper.

but now, his conclusion is:

If you're building something with integrated graphics, you want it to be a Clarkdale.

lets look at different priorities here for different buyers:
1.) lowest cost = 775 or am2/am3
2.) lowest power consumption = 775
3.) best igp performance = am2/am3

so how is clarkdale the best igp platform?

this one made me laugh out loud
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sho...px?i=3704&p=14

The funny thing is that P55 motherboards using an NF200 to provide triple CrossFire/SLI might actually be the way to go if you’re into competitive benchmarking!

seems anand hasnt heard of 32nm quads and six core 1366 cpus yet?

[Pt1t]

BCLK is not the issue for 7G with 660/670, just needs LHe

I just need EVBOT

[ajaidev]

I did recheck them

Here is a list of real world benches where i3 530 won
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21171.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21163.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21162.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21167.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21164.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21133.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21134.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21153.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21169.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21168.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21170.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21171.png

i3 530 performed better in about half of the real world benches



For same prince of i5 660 you can get i5 750

I don't see the point of i5 6xx unless you want to use Intel GPU

Why are you linking games, Athlon II cant do good in them u need a juicy L3 for that.

Other than that Microsoft Excel always favors Intel, Sonar is single threaded. The Benchs that matter from all those you have posted are:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21153.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21133.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21167.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/c...5346/21162.png


Now see the post i made above

[Raja@ASUS]

this one made me laugh out loud
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sho...px?i=3704&p=14
seems anand hasnt heard of 32nm quads and six core 1366 cpus yet?

That was my quote and made in the context of benching 3d mark 05 against the current Bloomfiled results. As always, you love to nitpick from your armchair. Something you've become notorious for actually.

[Razzz]

Yeah, the higher frequency will def help in older games.

As far as these reviews go, it seems the majority of these so called journalists lack any sort of intergrity whatsoever. Now they premise their articles and base their conlcusions on core count. lol How bloody ridiculous is that. It's a great product because it tries to compete with only 2 cores. Well news flash, that's the way intel designed their architecture. The part that means absolutely anything is the price point they are targeting, and that puts them in the league of pretty high end quad cores, so no it's not cmpetitive in the least whether it's 1,2, 40, or 599 cores.

Do we compare graphics cards on the basis of cores? The 5870 blows donkey balls because it uses 1600 cores? I mean, why not just get intel to write the reviews for ya? I LOL

Not ours

"Core i5 661 is a very nice combination of CPU and GPU. Unfortunately, the price of 2000SEK unacceptably high in relation to performance. We see no reason to buy this CPU as long as the price is up there, then we can look for a Core i5 750 processor with a graphics card for the same money. With that combination, you get four cores instead of two, better band width, indeed an overall better system simply. A Core i5 is in the disk of moment of 1800SEK and for additional 300SEK you get a passive video card. The price of this package is then 100kr more expensive than buying Core i5 661 but you get the right considerably much better performance, which justifies the purchase. A bit more attractive price for the Core i5 661 was the price tag had been a bit under the Core in i5 750"
google translated...

The QPI scales really well:
http://www.techsweden.org/bilder/mxUt/s/qpi-oc.png
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[ajaidev]

im confused by anandtechs review...
1.) memory performance and latency is the same or worse than 775
2.) power consumption is higher than 775
3.) igp perf is much better than G45, about the same as 790 and 9400

now id conclude from that, that if i want a cheap basic system with igp, it makes more sense to buy a 775 or amd igp system. especially if you take into account that 775 and am2/am3 are cheaper.

but now, his conclusion is:

lets look at different priorities here for different buyers:
1.) lowest cost = 775 or am2/am3
2.) lowest power consumption = 775
3.) best igp performance = am2/am3

so how is clarkdale the best igp platform?

Well the L3 performance vs the L2 performance is not that great added the fact that the i5's un core run's slower than the Nehalem.

The power consumption one is what confuses me since these should be able to kill of any part of the cpu and thus lower idle power consumption.

IGP ~ 9400/790 but at lower energy consumption

Now the added Dolby modes are worth more than a penny, a integrated solution that clarkdale provides is good in that aspect you get a better performance than a E8xxx with a 3300 igp and this all with less enery req. than a E8xxx + lowend gpu or a Athlon II x4 + 790.

Pretty good IMO.

[kl0012]

i3 is crippled (only 800 and 1066 and your forced to use intels igp)

What???

[saaya]

That was my quote and made in the context of benching 3d mark 05 against the current Bloomfiled results. As always, you love to nitpick from your armchair. Something you've become notorious for actually.

why do you think 1156 dualcore is the way to go for tri and quad sli/xfire benching?
and why am i a notorious nitpicker for asking this?

What???

my bad, i meant arrandale, not clarkdale

[Raja@ASUS]

why do you think 1156 dualcore is the way to go for tri and quad sli/xfire benching?

Cos you can score 51K in 05 easier than you can do it on some Bloomfield's. Yield will tell the tale, but Bloomfiled was hit and miss at sub-zero a lot more than these have been so far.

The nitpicking? Well you don't actually run many benches or write many if any reviews, yet critique as if you'd do a better job.

[kiwi]

i5 750 <3

However, it should be very much fun to bench clarkdales

[ajaidev]

Juicy internal details:

Clarkdale 32nm CPU - 81mm2 "But this does not have the PCIe or Memory controller"
Transistor Count - 383M

Propus 45nm CPU - 169nm "But includes memory controller does not have a internal PCIe"
Transistor Count - 300M

Propus has 83M less transistor's wow "This must be because of the L3" Other than that the PCIe and memory controller in the 45nm companion chip must be around 40-45m2 out of 114mm2 so 32nm seems working quite well...

[Monstru]

Here's ours

http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipsetu...clarkdale-32nm


You don't need LHE or EVbot ofr 7GHz. You just need a better chosen chip then Pt1t's, like allways

[ajaidev]

Here's ours

http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipsetu...clarkdale-32nm


You don't need LHE or EVbot ofr 7GHz. You just need a better chosen chip then Pt1t's, like allways

Thanks for using 550 but 720 BE is missing

The game performance for 550 BE is very interesting as compared to i5 661.

[Hornet331]

To bad, variable IGP frequency is mobile only... would have helped to minimize idel power consumption.

[RPGWiZaRD]

What I'd like to see is how i5-6x0 @ 4.6~4.7GHz fares against i5-750 @ 4.0~4.1GHz because that's whereabouts these seem to clock at similiar voltage. Who gives a damn about the IGP and stock vs stock comparisions on this forum, I thought the only interest in these chips were due to the 32nm and OC edge. lol

The possibility of a 4.6GHz+ 24/7 clock at reasonable voltage sure is attractive.

What's striking me the most is the poor memory performance.

[ajaidev]

Of all the new reviews these look good since 720 BE is used

http://techgage.com/article/intels_3...for_everyone/1
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...pu-review.html

Overall in games and overall performance x3 720 BE is very comparative. The 720 BE cost just $10 more than the Athlon II 630, but overall it seems like a good package waiting for the 725/730 BE C0

[Pt1t]

Here's ours

http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipsetu...clarkdale-32nm


You don't need LHE or EVbot ofr 7GHz. You just need a better chosen chip then Pt1t's, like allways

EVbot Help OC on eVGA motherboard to resolve Coldboot issue. Coldboot of -80° when you come from -196° isnt very friendly

[Tech Dav]

these are really poor performers for the money and Intel will lose a lot of business in this mainstream sector and I think only the cheapest one is even worth the money and the one I'd consider buying considering it's a newest chip

[kiwi]

What I'd like to see is how i5-6x0 @ 4.6~4.7GHz fares against i5-750 @ 4.0~4.1GHz because that's whereabouts these seem to clock at similiar voltage. Who gives a damn about the IGP and stock vs stock comparisions on this forum, I thought the only interest in these chips were due to the 32nm and OC edge. lol

The possibility of a 4.6GHz+ 24/7 clock at reasonable voltage sure is attractive.

What's striking me the most is the poor memory performance.

Check xtreme overclocking section For some 3D benches 750 is at least 30% faster CPC. To match 4Ghz you would need like 5.2Ghz which is not happening stable on air/water For most 3d benches even 30% is not enough.

[Monstru]

EVbot Help OC on eVGA motherboard to resolve Coldboot issue. Coldboot of -80° when you come from -196° isnt very friendly

Glad to hear that. I do not have an EVbot, so I don't know what it solves. Still, I am surse Shamino is right and LHe is the way to go for these. But if you could reach 6960MHz on LN2, then a better chip should be able to get 7GHz on LN2 with no EVbot, even if LHe and EVbot would make your like much easier

[Pt1t]

Glad to hear that. I do not have an EVbot, so I don't know what it solves. Still, I am surse Shamino is right and LHe is the way to go for these. But if you could reach 6960MHz on LN2, then a better chip should be able to get 7GHz on LN2 with no EVbot, even if LHe and EVbot would make your like much easier

EVBOT just help to dont spend time to hot cpu from -196 to -80° and reboot under cold without shutdown system

[Tech Dav]

it's an absolute joke that Intel priced these same or above Core i5-750 when none of them can stand to hold a water to it in performance and it's even equal in power consumption , maybe this sort of arrogance will put Intel in its rightful place

[Hornet331]

these are really poor performers for the money and Intel will lose a lot of business in this mainstream sector and I think only the cheapest one is even worth the money and the one I'd consider buying considering it's a newest chip

I reserve that judgment for a month or two, prices are still high (thought they already droped 10-20€, since the the 750 was 200€ when it was released and now is ~155€.)

If the i5-650 drops to ~120-130€ it will be a good price.

[SKYMTL]

it's an absolute joke that Intel priced these same or above Core i5-750 when none of them can stand to hold a water to it in performance and it's even equal in power consumption , maybe this sort of arrogance will put Intel in its rightful place

Performance is quite similar in the apps Clarkdale is targeted at IMO. As such, performance overlap means pricing overlap. At this point my biggest concern is platform pricing since I have seen a number of H57 boards which sport a $200+ price tag.