Swiftech unveils Apogee XT new flagship waterblock

[skane]

Hi guys,

i just recieved my apogee XT, but at one of the corners of the backplate, the part where the screw screws in has come of during shipping. you can see it on the pic below.
Do i just have to try to push it back in, or should i send the block back? apart from this, the block looks pretty much perfect to me.

[Main]

Bought mine last week and recieved it in a very bad way
Gabe can you plz check ur Pm as i need a replacement mounting system plz...

Water block is fine.... But the mounting system is gone.

WOW npi

Who was the shipper ?

[andressergio]

sorry for not responding to the fitting issues, I have been totally focused on release of the new MCR Drive..

I don't know what the problem is, and if it is a problem at our end or if it is coming from the fittings. I have ordered a complete assortment of BP, black matte, true silver, barb types and compression types, and feser compression. That's at least 6 or 7 different type of G1/4 fittings. Should receive them next week and will see what the problem is.

For now, it looks that no one is having problems with our own fittings. so I suggest you guys use our fittings at least for now.

No gabe your fittins are perfect problem is second thread i measure it and has a slight diff with the other so i will never make force to make it fit...in my case i bough 8 BP 1/2 G 1/4 and can't use them but of course i can use yours...so thats why i contacted Michelle to send me an extra pair as i live in South America no easy to get things quick hope you understand.

Cheers
Sergio and good luck with the new launch of products

[dejanh]

sorry for not responding to the fitting issues, I have been totally focused on release of the new MCR Drive..

I don't know what the problem is, and if it is a problem at our end or if it is coming from the fittings. I have ordered a complete assortment of BP, black matte, true silver, barb types and compression types, and feser compression. That's at least 6 or 7 different type of G1/4 fittings. Should receive them next week and will see what the problem is.

For now, it looks that no one is having problems with our own fittings. so I suggest you guys use our fittings at least for now.

No gabe your fittins are perfect problem is second thread i measure it and has a slight diff with the other so i will never make force to make it fit...in my case i bough 8 BP 1/2 G 1/4 and can't use them but of course i can use yours...so thats why i contacted Michelle to send me an extra pair as i live in South America no easy to get things quick hope you understand.

Cheers
Sergio and good luck with the new launch of products

As Sergio said for his XT, I also observed a slight difference in the thread on the MCRES MICRO. And just like in his case only your fittings fit perfect. Like I said earlier, I think it is a tapping problem.

[gabe]

Hi guys,

i just recieved my apogee XT, but at one of the corners of the backplate, the part where the screw screws in has come of during shipping. you can see it on the pic below.
Do i just have to try to push it back in, or should i send the block back? apart from this, the block looks pretty much perfect to me.

please immediately email your name and address to michelle@swiftech.com so we can take care of this.

[gabe]

Who do I need to contact in Australia regarding RMA should I need it?
Ive bought mine from an Australian who bought his from Jabtech. Is there someone from your Australian distributer I can contact directly?
I'm also after a 775 backplate, as I'm currently using one from my GTZ.

Please contact Mittoni pty ltd, they are our Master distributor in Australia.

[zeropluszero]

i've done as you asked, and the centre capacitor showed slight contact with the thermal compound. i'll contact Mittoni and direct them to this thread.
thanks Gabe.

[hokiealumnus]

sorry for not responding to the fitting issues, I have been totally focused on release of the new MCR Drive..

I don't know what the problem is, and if it is a problem at our end or if it is coming from the fittings. I have ordered a complete assortment of BP, black matte, true silver, barb types and compression types, and feser compression. That's at least 6 or 7 different type of G1/4 fittings. Should receive them next week and will see what the problem is.

For now, it looks that no one is having problems with our own fittings. so I suggest you guys use our fittings at least for now.

Add another one that has this issue. I've got D-Tek high flow barbs that don't go in either port all the way and some copper barbs (given to me, unknown make) that do the same thing. Not a big deal, the swiftech-supplied barbs work fine. Just wish I could have kept my barbs copper. The block itself is lovely though.

[Silverhawk]

I had the same problem with the ports, using Fatboy fittings and also Bitspower 45 rotaries. Its not like it doesn't go in all the way, its just that there's quite a bit of resistance after the first 1-2 turns, apply some more force and it'll continue going in all the way.

[hokiealumnus]

Yea, I was scared of screwing up my pretty new block. Swiftech could (rightly) deny warranty for screwing up the threads when theirs worked perfectly well. Not that they would, but they could. Better safe than sorry.

If it helps, here are photos of where they stop:

Copper fittings.
D-Tek high flows.

The Swiftech fittings screwed right in all the way by hand.

[Waterlogged]

Yea, I was scared of screwing up my pretty new block. Swiftech could (rightly) deny warranty for screwing up the threads when theirs worked perfectly well. Not that they would, but they could. Better safe than sorry.

If it helps, here are photos of where they stop:

Copper fittings.
D-Tek high flows.

The Swiftech fittings screwed right in all the way by hand.

Those copper fittings look a bit like Swiftech's. Aquatuning sells them as they are the only ones that are scumbags enough to re-plate other companies products and sell them as their own.

[AceBaran]

My first WC, using the XT
Are these temps very good, good, or allright ?

Air



Water



Edit: I also had problems with Bitspower fittings, impossible to fit 2 next to eachother, and the outlet fitting would not go in all the way.. ordered BP 45 degrees fittings used it on the inlet and the fitting in the outlet i screwed it untill it wouldnt go further, but i could clearly see and feel that it wasnt in place, i just used a bit more force, after half a turn it moved smoothly all the way, i unscrewd it and attached it again, this time it went fine...dont be afraid to use some controled force

[cesthree]

Just picked up one of these bad boys at Micro Center today.

I got it home to find that I don't really like the stock fittings. The barb is too short to use the clamps I want to use. I am using spring type clamps. Zip ties are all right, but I like the fact that spring clamps will self adjust somewhat.

Anyways, I have some questions I want to throw out there.

I was looking at using my DD Fat Boy fittings on this block. I use them everywhere else in my system, and they work well, especially where there is a chamfered edge for the o-ring to reside in. The Apogee XT does not provide that chamfered edge.

I am mostly concerned about the o-ring because it just seems to bulge out, and the fitting doesn't get tight against the block, metal to metal.

Here is the stock fitting o-ring up close. We all know how that fits, its good.



Here is the DD Fat Boy with its OEM o-ring. Big fella.



When the Fat Boy is tightened up, the o-ring bulges out. I don't like this much. If this is acceptable, I cannot see how. Though with a low pressure system I guess it cannot hurt much.



Now here is the DD Fat Boy with the Swiftech o-ring.



When it is finger tightened, you can see it resembles the Fat Boy with its OEM o-ring all the way tight!



And at last is the Fat Boy with the Swiftech o-ring all the way tight.



No bulging o-ring, and metal to metal contact between fitting and the waterblock top. What are your thoughts?

Again, I am using all spring clamps, and they will not gather on the Swiftech barb appropriately. I don't like how stubby they are, and if it weren't for that I would use them.

Thanks for any input. I hope to begin leak testing in the AM. Peace.

[cesthree]

Also, mad props to Celestron digital microscopes. $60 shipped from Amazon. Really good bang for the buck.

[cesthree]

My first WC, using the XT
Are these temps very good, good, or allright ?

Air



Water



Edit: I also had problems with Bitspower fittings, impossible to fit 2 next to eachother, and the outlet fitting would not go in all the way.. ordered BP 45 degrees fittings used it on the inlet and the fitting in the outlet i screwed it untill it wouldnt go further, but i could clearly see and feel that it wasnt in place, i just used a bit more force, after half a turn it moved smoothly all the way, i unscrewd it and attached it again, this time it went fine...dont be afraid to use some controled force

What other elements are in your system? Do you only have a CPU block? What pump? What Rad?

I mean, those temps are pretty close to what *some* would call the limit, actually most would. Any chance you can back that voltage off some? I guess that looks about right for that clock, however.

If you aren't going to run that speed 24/7, then I wouldn't worry too much. Is that clock for benchmarking, or do you have 3 or 4 GPU's that you are trying to push?

It really depends on what you want to do with your system. Of course, you won't really see those temps unless you have all cores maxed, so really they are not that bad, but they are close to "the limit".

Not sure if I helped or confused, but still, that's a nice clock. Just figure out what you want to do with it, and you can decide if those temps are comfortable for you.

Check this too:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mai...-deluxe_8.html

Interesting views on Lynnfield temps.

Have fun!

[Leeghoofd]

My first WC, using the XT
Are these temps very good, good, or allright ?

Try to run LinX with full ram selected for stability test Ace. I prefer to keep my CPU's sub 65°C for daily use. Like mentioned these tests do not reflect real operating temps ( they can be to 10-15°C lower then when stress testing )

My 950 only runs at 4Ghz coz I need only 1.2Vcore then to keep her stable. Is that one of Johan's CPU's ? Also use the CPU mulitplier mate, no need to push 200 bclock on an extreme CPU

Just hooked up my review sample in the testbed, awaiting the return of my 950 CPU...

[eva2000]

Bought mine last week and recieved it in a very bad way
Gabe can you plz check ur Pm as i need a replacement mounting system plz...

Water block is fine.... But the mounting system is gone.
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ouch nasty mate.. i bought an Apogee XT from PCG as well no problems here - just need some free time to switch my EK Supreme LT out for the XT

[AceBaran]

Tnx for your repley Cesthree and leeghoofd..

This is my WC

TFC Xchanger Quad
Swiftech apogee XT
EK-Multioption Reservoir 250 rev.2
Koolance Pump PMP-450s
EK-D5 X-TOP G1/4 Rev.2
4X TFC Triebwerk TK-122 - 1800RPM - 120MMx55MM
Tygon R3603 - HighFlow - 3/8 ID - 5/8 OD - Clear
Feser One Cooling Fluid - UV CLEAR / BLUE
10MM (3/8 ID - 5/8 OD) Feser Schroeffitting - G1/4

Sorry for not beeing clear in my question.. I ran a quick LinX 1024 on 4.2 clock just before i installed my WC.. just to compare the temps Air vs WC.. Not to bench or 24/7
I wanted to know if the 30 degree improvement is acceptable ?

Regards

[Leeghoofd]

it's very good indeed mate, ya air cooling kit was running out of juice at them clocks... watercooling saved ya day

[AceBaran]

it's very good indeed mate, ya air cooling kit was running out of juice at them clocks... watercooling saved ya day

It sure did, its like exploring a new planet.. totaly different settings and possibilities...

Tnx Leeghoofd

[dM@n]

Edit: I also had problems with Bitspower fittings, impossible to fit 2 next to eachother

Rotating the inlet is another option for fitting the two compressions.

[AceBaran]

Rotating the inlet is another option for fitting the two compressions.

Yes i know, but youll lose performance ive read

[Kadett]

The loss in performance is negligible. Its about 0.3 degrees in difference. Nothing to worry about.

[davidm71]

What other elements are in your system? Do you only have a CPU block? What pump? What Rad?

I mean, those temps are pretty close to what *some* would call the limit, actually most would. Any chance you can back that voltage off some? I guess that looks about right for that clock, however.

If you aren't going to run that speed 24/7, then I wouldn't worry too much. Is that clock for benchmarking, or do you have 3 or 4 GPU's that you are trying to push?

It really depends on what you want to do with your system. Of course, you won't really see those temps unless you have all cores maxed, so really they are not that bad, but they are close to "the limit".

Not sure if I helped or confused, but still, that's a nice clock. Just figure out what you want to do with it, and you can decide if those temps are comfortable for you.

Check this too:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mai...-deluxe_8.html

Interesting views on Lynnfield temps.

Have fun!

What are you talking about close to the limit? He's maxing out at 61 degrees. I thought the limit was around 80 degrees?

Anyhow I want to know his ambient?

[KingLex]

Just picked up one of these bad boys at Micro Center today.

I got it home to find that I don't really like the stock fittings. The barb is too short to use the clamps I want to use. I am using spring type clamps. Zip ties are all right, but I like the fact that spring clamps will self adjust somewhat.

Anyways, I have some questions I want to throw out there.

I was looking at using my DD Fat Boy fittings on this block. I use them everywhere else in my system, and they work well, especially where there is a chamfered edge for the o-ring to reside in. The Apogee XT does not provide that chamfered edge.

I am mostly concerned about the o-ring because it just seems to bulge out, and the fitting doesn't get tight against the block, metal to metal.

I ordered the XT and those fittings, still waiting for them to arrive though. So let us know how everything worked out with the leak testing