A Semi-accurate Look into Fermi

[m.fox]

I'm addicted to 120Hz.

How about those 120Hz Sony/Samsung HDTVs?

24"+ 120Hz IPS/PVA panel will cost a LOT. And probably be very close to the pice of those 32/40" LCDs, not to mention G/V10 plasmas from Panny. Both of these solutions are IMO much better solution if one is a PQ whore.

[SocketMan]

The last open question is what A3 will be. We are told bin splits for A2 would put the top clock for Fermi at about 500MHz, and yields were described as "alarming". Last spring, insiders told us that initial targets were 750MHz , 50% up on A2. Nvidia PR drones were, note the past tense, claiming that it would beat Cypress by 40%, so a 500MHz version is likely to be a tad slower than an ATI Radeon HD5870. Not a convincing launch message there.
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Looks like we have enough time for about 30 more Fermi
threads before it actually launches.Just about every (Fermi)
thread has gone down the drain and clogged the toilet in the
process.Can we just please wait for the damn thing to come out,before "discussing" something that nobody has?

[m.fox]

you do know they have to be TN panels because of the low response times needed and because they need to be able to take the higher heat levels created due to the higher refresh rate.

Those are not "real" 120Hz. The panel itself doesn't have 120Hz refresh rate. Electronics are doing interpolation (or insertion of the black frames, IDK precisely what method they are using) on input frames to create 120Hz. AFAIK.

[Helloworld_98]

Those are not "real" 120Hz. The panel itself doesn't have 120Hz refresh rate. Electronics are doing interpolation (or insertion of the black frames, IDK precisely what method they are using) on input frames to create 120Hz. AFAIK.

the '120hz+' TV's use interpolation to predict pixel movement

120hz monitors, are actually 120hz refresh rate, one frame for the left eye, the next for the right.

You've got your ideas the wrong way around.

[trinibwoy]

you do know they have to be TN panels because of the low response times needed and because they need to be able to take the higher heat levels created due to the higher refresh rate.

Does that somehow mitigate the fact that they are still 6-bit TN panels?

The panel itself doesn't have 120Hz refresh rate.

If that was the case 3D vision would not work.

[m.fox]

I wrote AFAIK. Thanks for correcting me, you learn something new everyday.

Last time I checked there were none

Yep.

[STaRGaZeR]

How about those 120Hz Sony/Samsung HDTVs?

24"+ 120Hz IPS/PVA panel will cost a LOT. And probably be very close to the pice of those 32/40" LCDs, not to mention G/V10 plasmas from Panny. Both of these solutions are IMO much better solution if one is a PQ whore.

Are there any real LCD 120Hz HDTVs? Last time I checked there were none

I was thinking about trying a 120Hz monitor, but going from a 24" P-MVA to a 22" TN would probably be difficult.

To each his own, but I can stand a TN panel if it's 120Hz. Couldn't do that with a 60Hz one

[BababooeyHTJ]

Are there any real LCD 120Hz HDTVs? Last time I checked there were none



To each his own, but I can stand a TN panel if it's 120Hz. Couldn't do that with a 60Hz one

This looks promising.

[Helloworld_98]

This looks promising.

he said TV's not monitor's

there are already 3 monitors running at 120hz for sale (4 if you count the Acer 24")

[BababooeyHTJ]

he said TV's not monitor's

there are already 3 monitors running at 120hz for sale (4 if you count the Acer 24")

Are there any with a higher resolution than 1680x1050? Why would I care about true 120hz hdtvs?

[Solus Corvus]

pff take your tiny monitor and shove it. I want better 30" monitors, 24" is so 2004. I want my OLED 30" monitor already.

I said 24"+. But you can stick with your refresh rate invented in the 1920's if you want.

I think you're right. I'm pretty sure I remember reading about the standard in the Old Testament.

Lol.

Soon my friend soon

That's the first of many this year hopefully. But yeah, that's the one I was looking at.

6-bit TN 16:9 panel? No thanks.

Do you have a better solution for high res, low input lag gaming?

[Jamesrt2004]

How about those 120Hz Sony/Samsung HDTVs?

24"+ 120Hz IPS/PVA panel will cost a LOT. And probably be very close to the pice of those 32/40" LCDs, not to mention G/V10 plasmas from Panny. Both of these solutions are IMO much better solution if one is a PQ whore.

v10 32" panny = awesome monitor

[m.fox]

Unfortunately, they don't make 32" plasmas. The one you are talking about is part of the 2009 Viera LCD line.

[Manicdan]

you do know they have to be TN panels because of the low response times needed and because they need to be able to take the higher heat levels created due to the higher refresh rate.

so your saying that if we can water cool our monitors, we can get better ones? id love to do that, seriously.

[Helloworld_98]

Are there any with a higher resolution than 1680x1050? Why would I care about true 120hz hdtvs?

the Acer is 1920x1080

[Helloworld_98]

so your saying that if we can water cool our monitors, we can get better ones? id love to do that, seriously.

yeah, it would probably work a lot better when overclocking a CRT though.

[RPGWiZaRD]

I was thinking about trying a 120Hz monitor, but going from a 24" P-MVA to a 22" TN would probably be difficult.

Then I don't think you'll appriciate the crappy colors of Samsung 2233rz. I've tried both Samsung 2233rz and ViewSonic VX2268wm and despite the excessive backlight bleed on the ViewSonic I still decided to stick with that one cuz I couldn't stand the colors on Samsung 2233rz, extremely blue tint which you cannot completely remove even when set blue to "0" and also the colors are slightly saturated, but at least the contrast is very good, in fact a lot better than the ViewSonic, despite they are rated the same.

Among the current 22" LCDs: ViewSonic VX2268wm > Samsung 2233rz > ViewSonic VX2265wm. I suppose the VX2268wm is only available in europe tho.

Non-TN panel + LED + 120Hz would be nice but seems like it's more likely for a new tech to arrive before such LCD is available.

[iTravis]

This thread should be renamed to TV/monitor with 120Hz.

[trinibwoy]

Do you have a better solution for high res, low input lag gaming?

Yep, get a 3007wfp. But I don't have superhuman reflexes that require sub-30ms input lag either

[STaRGaZeR]

Yep, get a 3007wfp.

[trinibwoy]

Too rich for your blood eh? There are affordable IPS based 24 inchers out there as well with low input lag. U2410 for example - http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2410.htm

[Solus Corvus]

Yep, get a 3007wfp. But I don't have superhuman reflexes that require sub-30ms input lag either

What your reflexes require doesn't really concern me. I'll pass.

[Manicdan]

Too rich for your blood eh? There are affordable IPS based 24 inchers out there as well with low input lag. U2410 for example - http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2410.htm

thats not bad, im still shocked how little the price of IPS monitors have changed. i bought a 26" acer back in early 2007 for 750$ and its perfect to me. i dont know if it will last 2-3 more years with how few advancements weve seen for computer screens.

[STaRGaZeR]

Too rich for your blood eh? There are affordable IPS based 24 inchers out there as well with low input lag. U2410 for example - http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2410.htm

Too rich for me? Input lag?

No 120Hz --> FTL. When you get one you'll understand.

EDIT: And if not, nobody cares

[trinibwoy]

What your reflexes require doesn't really concern me. I'll pass.

And if not, nobody cares

So why did both of you comment on my opinion then? My post wasn't directed at either of you in the first place Seems like you care to me *blush*.

But yeah, if you figure your reflexes are up to 120Hz refreshes then go for it.

thats not bad, im still shocked how little the price of IPS monitors have changed. i bought a 26" acer back in early 2007 for 750$ and its perfect to me. i dont know if it will last 2-3 more years with how few advancements weve seen for computer screens.

That's cause the volume isn't there. Everybody is flooding the market with middling TN panels and targeting the high-end with IPS. But as Dell shows you can bring IPS down into lower price levels successfully too.