Radeon 5970 Overclocking: The VRM Temperature Bottleneck

[BababooeyHTJ]

No one wanted to discuss my posts, my last few, they just buried it or trolled/flamed.

Bringing up Shintai and neutral/non-bias in the same sentence is something I thought would never happen. We have evidence of the fact that other than a few very specifically coded products, it doesn't affect other apps, especially GPGPU. You have to rename furmark because AMD/ATi decided to save cards and throttle the performance through software, which is now worked into the hardware with the 5series.

Nvidia was brought up because others were making the comparison, obviously in a negative light.

Does there need to be more evidence? Why do the AMD/ATi cards outpace the Nvidia cards so much? The code isn't fully utilizing Nvidia's architecture and he even admitted so and would look into. Some months later, this problem still hasn't been fixed.

Amazing at how many devs, that are NOT under Nvidia's thumb, have the complete opposite to say about AMD/ATi. Hell, even Crytek, who likes to go both ways, doesn't seem to have a problem getting help from either one.

As for SkyMTL, I have already said I don't know what the deal is. He has abosutely nothing positive to say about anything AMD/ATi related the last few months. It has nothing to do with being enthusiastic about AMD/ATi... and I also said nothing about him being an Nvidia fanboy. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Why are you resorting to these underhanded tactics? Why can't we have a civil discussion about the topic?

Your last posts around the time that the thread started to die down? No one trolled or flamed your last few posts there from what I remember. I do agree that you bought up some good points one of which is the fact that Furmark also stresses the 4xxx series cards harder than GT200. Look at the framerates in each bench. Different architectures and drivers are going to perform differently in different apps, you know that. You also know that Furmark which OCCT pretty much is sees much higher framerates on 4xxx series hardware. Also we know that my 280 and a 4870 draw a very similar amount of current under load. My 280 has what 4 or 5 of the same vrms dedicated for the core while the 4870 has 3? I'm asking because I could be wrong. We don't even know what that 82A in GPU-Z/Rivatuner even means. That was never answered in the thread.

Which devs are under Nvidia's thumb? Did my 9800gtx outperform my 4870 in FSX because Microsoft is under Nvidia's thumb? I just don't get you point there unless you are trying to imply that the dude who wrote OCCT is "under Nvidia's thumb" which is a ridiculous statement.

I also think that Shinti's point in that thread about not being able to be sure what type of driver tweeks are being done in games much like in Furmark from both companies. He actually bought up evidence of Nvidia doing this in the past.

What do you want SkyMTL to say? I'm not going to argue with you on this "point" since I really don't want to seem like I'm bashing ATI.

Also I don't see how any of this is "on topic". I said my piece about this not being a problem imo since it apparently doesn't happen at stock clocks. It is a dual gpu card after all. I think that I'm being civil here but some of the statements that you are making contridict what you said in that OCCT thread.