** OFFICIAL ** Intel DX38BT & DX48BT2 BoneTrail Thread

[soccergeek24]

Hello everyone,

Great to see people still posting. I've been traveling for a bit and had some reading to catch up on here (which is almost always a good thing).

Recently, I purchased 3 1 TB (Seagate Barracuda 7200.12) drives to put them in a RAID 5 config for data storage. However, after I switched my current RAID 1 over to a RAID 0 and rebuild the OS, I could not get the RAID 5 to initialize. I thought I had read in the specifications that this board would support two raid configs...am I wrong? Has anyone tried multiple RAID arrays using the onboard RAID?

Also, just bought a second video card...it is a really tight fit and I have to run the fans 20% higher than with a single card to maintain the same temp. So I was looking into liquid cooling the cards (and maybe the CPU as well) because the noise level is much higher. Does anyone have any liquid cooling advice?

[fzfq3m]

yeah, high end graphic cards can run really hot, I got a Nvidia 9800GTX with stock HSF and it runs at ~62°c(Idle with just windows aero) when the fan runs at default speed (30% I guess), but with fan at 100% the card´s temperature drops to 51°C.

I should be a problem to get those graphic cards wated cooled, I'm not an expert but from my own mistakes I cab advise that it´s better to read twice (even more) and buy once

As a start you can check out the HEATKILLER water block serie, it´s cpu water block appears to be the new "King of the Hill"

BTW I own an Swiftech MCP655 pump and I must tell that it runs really quiet even at full speed!!!

[fzfq3m]

Oh boy...

In another attempt to get my rig stable I went aggresive (and crazy) by bumping vCore up to 1.5875v, I was happy :d for about two hours and half but then a not so nice BOD erased the smile from my face... I´m planning to spend some time this weekend playing with GTL settings... I really hope to get this stable with less vCore.

Please stay tuned..

[petr0id]

Hiya guys! How it's going? I see our thread is still alive. That's great!
fzfq3m, hi. Please be careful with overvolting.
There is an a opinion, that something about 1.47v is maximum for 45nm devices.
True or not, but people talking about CPU degradation. Sounds bad for me...
Don't wanna make my "stone" stupid...

[Sean-E-Boy]

Soccergeek,

I run more than one raid array at a time, but both raid 0, so not sure about the 2 different at the same time.


fzfq,

you may want to try running just 2 dimms of ram until you get the rest of the system stable...there are some issues with all 4 dimms populated and mem clock speeds ~1600 and up. I know that now your mem is at the slowest setting, but may help weeed out some instability issues...which is the hardes part, trying to figure out what is going wrong so you can fix it and if there are 4 things going wrong at once, how you do know what to fix?

Sean

[fzfq3m]

petr0id

yeah man I´m aware of that, in fact I read an article from Anadtech about frying a QX9650 with high VTT. Fortunately (or maybe not) I own a Q6600 wich is based on 65nm... and at least mine is rock solid man... it survived to 82°C (vFSB ~1.48) for about 3 minutes on an overclock attempt that I did about 1 year ago with just Air cooling (Xigmatek HDT-S1283).

anyway 1.4v on vFSB (a.k.a VTT) is the higher I´m planning to go with, and for vMCH/ICH 1.475v is the top for me... I know that even at 3.8Ghz (422*9) my Q6600 can´t beat a Core 7i 920 but the satisfaction of overclocking is priceless

Sean-E-Boy

Just another item for my task list, this weekend will be very busy... but I think you can be right.

I just notice that my rig refuses to overclock if I loosen memory timmings to much, and for memory timming I mean those values that manufacturer doesn´t provide a default value such as tRFC, tRRD an so on... If I got those values to high the rig power off-on few times and then fall back to default values.... even worst, after that vCore gets stuck to its last value (it will not respond even applying defaults on maintance mode) and the only way to get it working again is to removing power cord from PSU and waiting a minute or so...

Next move will be to remove 2 dimms and play with GTL values, so I will stay tuned

Thanks for the help

[Manel]

LAN v14.5 runs fine, haven't installed/updated INF yet but not sure what the problem was.
nVidia drivers 191.07 won't detect my card though, had to roll back to 190.62. By the way, have you guys seen the Fermi yet? By the specs it looks sweet, but will it beat AMD's EverGreen 5870 with EyeFinity and all? I'd say yeah but I guess we'll have to wait till Q1'10 to see. Bets anyone? 3 Billion transistors??! Wow.

[Manel]

LAN v14.6 is out, Intel is pushing out LAN drivers like hot cakes. Had just installed v14.5 and now a new version...

[Manel]

What, nobody posting anymore?!
Well, Marvell RAID drivers v1.2.0.7103 is out, I guess only a minor update judging by the numbering.
Tomorrow is Windows 7 out day, anyone gonna buy it already? Or maybe as caution advises, wait for SP1?
Looks fine to me, although haven't tried it yet. Still, I just hate that SuperBar, if I go 7 I'll surelly change it to the Vista looks.
Hope tomorrow we'll also get DirectX 11 for Vista, not sure MS will release it right away though. Not that we really need it at this time, but it's good to know that DX11 games will run as well on DX10 hardware anyway.
ATI fans will have the fun first, those with 5800 that is. nVidia's Fermi GT300 is still a few months away. Will it re-capture the king of the hill title back from ATI? Single GPU that is, and not always!!!

[xMrBunglex]

i pre-ordered the Pro upgrade from the MS store back in July for $100. looking forward to getting my copy. i'm not worried about new release issues at all, because it really does seem like it's just a renamed Vista SP3 anyway. i don't expect any problems. gotta start saving for a 5870 though.

[Manel]

Hey x, long time no see.
Yes, I'd say by the time it took to release that it's Vista polished, although it seems to be leaner and faster, as a result of it.
It's out today, I'll have to check it out.
So, you're going the 5870 route? Looks cool, Fermi will be out soon too though.

[Patyabc]

Friends:

I have doubts:

My bonetrail2 is prepare to win7? My bios is with SLIC v.2.1?

I hope these doubts will be vanished by an official statement from Intel.

Hope.

[xMrBunglex]

everything installed quickly and easily on my main rig, which has the Gigabyte X48 mobo. no problems with drivers or anything else yet - i'm very happy with Win7.

i'm going to install another x64 copy on my Bone Trail rig on monday. i'll post my results. i assume Intel still doesn't have Dolby for 64-bit OSes? that was one of my annoyances with the board. it's been running Vista x86 for the past few months.

[Manel]

Paty, I don't see a problem with installing 7 on your board, or any other recent one for that matter. What do you mean with SLIC v2.1? Don't count on any statement from Intel, I don't think they'll bother to confirm each and any mobo compatible with 7.

xMB, is you BT still alive and kicking? Yes, Dolby has been dead for a long time, for Intel that is. No updates but as usual, Intel is to blame, they just don't release the updates, not that they don't exist.

[Patyabc]

Dear Manel:

SLIC v.2.1 is use to activate your win7 as you know reading tech papers and watching websites with proper explanations.

Most important tech companies will be updating their bioses to allow their customers use with reliability win7 if their customers want to.

I hope Intel will do the right this time for customers support.

P.S.: Dear XMB: I have an Intel bonetrail2 not a Gigabyte one.

[xMrBunglex]

P.S.: Dear XMB: I have an Intel bonetrail2 not a Gigabyte one.

that's why i specified that i haven't installed Win7 on the Bone Trail yet. it used to be the motherboard on my main rig. i'm going to install it this weekend - i'll let you know if i run into any problems, although i don't expect any.

[redphil]

I should get get win7 in a few days. Then I'll try the transistion. But I don't think that this'll be a problem.

[Sean-E-Boy]

Paty,

SLIC only applies when an OS comes pre-installed on a PC from a manufacturer like HP or Dell...It is what allows the user (and HP, etc) to install the OS from the recovery disc (and whatever the master installation source is at HP, Dell...) without having to enter a product key. It is essentially a string of code in the BIOS that tells the installation disc that "this computer was purchased with the rights to an installation of Windows X." and if you have the proper disc, bingo...installed, no product key.

This should have no bearing on the x38/48 boards, being that you didnt purchase it from dell in a pc pre-installed with a windows OS. and i doubt that our BIOS even has SLIC tables.

Besides, even with SLIC tables in the BIOS you can still install whatever OS you want, so long as you have an authentic product key.

I imagine the update from SLIC 2 to 2.1 between vista and w7 is more of an anti-piracy precaution taken by microsoft becuase, for example, you can buy an HP laptop with W7 basic pre-installed (and therefore allowed to be installed without product key, if you have the right disc) and then find a w7 ultimate reinstallation disc online (ahem...not kosher with the copyright gods) for that laptop model and reinstall w7 ultimate without a product key and so a free upgrade. And in some instances one could merge the SLIC from a different BIOS to be able to install with the reinstallation disc for say Vista, when XP came on their computer.

SLIC tables are nice for businesses and the average consumer because all you need is the disc and you can clean your PC back to factory, but you better know which disc is for which pc (if you have different models) or it wont work.

[Manel]

Paty, as Sean put it and correctly so, SLIC is only for OEM automatic activation, not for our retail boards. Difference from v2.0 to v2.1 is only in a BIOS string that defines preciselly the SLIC version as far as i could tell.
Microsoft has a compatibility tool in their site, both the DX38BT and DX48BT2 are listed as compatible, although they don't have the compatible with 7 logo, probably because their old products and weren't designed for 7, wasn't out yet.

[Dave_OC]

I have an Intel DX48BT2 based system, with current BTX3810J.86A.2000 bios. I recently purchased a boxed Q9650 as an upgrade. The install went well, and the system runs fine except for one annoying problem. If I boot the system from power down, it boots fine. If I select 'Restart', I get the error message " The system BIOS has detected unsuccessful POST attempt(s). Possible causes include recent changes to BIOS Performance options or recent hardware changes. Press 'Y' to enter BIOS Setup or press 'N' to cancel and attempt to boot with previous settings. " every time. Selecting N, the system boots OK. There are no oveclocking or BIOS tweaks at all.

Any ideas?

[Manel]

Hi Dave

Did it start hapenning after you installed the new processor, after flashing to BIOS 2000 or when was it? Are you using XP, Vista or 7? I believe the message appears during POST, right? Not while still in Windows (or other OS).
Are you running IDCC or any other tool that might be messing with your settings? I know you aren't OCing and you BIOS is probably with default settings but maybe something is altering your settings without you knowing, not likelly though.
Did you go to BIOS and set everything to factory settings and clear CMOS?
That processor shouldn't be a problem for that version of the BIOS I guess.
I was thinking of buying that same proc or even the QX9650 which is way too expensive bu the way. Only difference that I know of is the unlocked multiplier and TDP (95W vs 135W if i recall correctly), which is bull***t really since they are essencially the same proc, unless Intel is already considering the Ocing to the max multiplier available.

[Manel]

Dave
You can try reverting back to the former BIOS version or to the processor you had before just to see where the problem is.
I'd start with clearing all BIOS settings. Then check with the older proc if it restarts ok.
If all else fails, try intel support and ask them if they can replicate the problem or if they know if there is an issue with that proc and board.
Keep us posted and good luck with Intel support if you need to contact them.

[Sean-E-Boy]

Dave,

I have seen this message before under similar conditions--where the system should start fine with the current settings, but just doesnt want to.

What processor did you have in the board before the q9650?

A few things you should know about this board: It is extremely fickle when you start changing things (usually settings, but I think hardware may fall into this as well). and probably most importantly, there are some strange power issues with the board.

Not to say that there are power fluctuations or anything that will damage your components, but this board hates being powered down or restarted, and you will have problems almost every time the power supply (PSU) is turned off or loses power.

all that being said, Manel has some good points, start with resetting the BIOS to defaults. If that doesnt seem to help, remove power from the PSU, remove the backup battery from the board (little coin battery by the SATA ports), push the power button to drain any remaining power, and let the thing sit for at least 2 hours. then put the coin battery back, plug PSU in, turn on.

this should reset everything to default and clear any history of boot problems that may be popping up and giving you that message.

Sean

[HighTest]

For those wondering how Windows 7 x64 bit edition works with the BoneTrail 2? I can happily report, very well!

In fact, I didn't have to install any drivers for the board. Audio, X48 chipset, LAN, all of that was native to the installation DVD. Note: I don't use RAID and have my SATA controller set for AHCI (sp?).

For RAID, the ability to download the files to create a driver setup is available on the Intel website, so it looks like any BoneTrail 2 user should be all set.

[redphil]

For those wondering how Windows 7 x64 bit edition works with the BoneTrail 2? I can happily report, very well!

Same here. I'm using Win7 Home Premiums 64bit, everything's fine. No problems so far with the dx48bt2.