aquatuning trademark grab ?

[sniperbob]

can he legally do that?

[millertime359]

RRR grabbed ALL the trademarks including XS and even my name (DarthBeavis). I have it on good advice they left DarthButtplug and BARELYBETTERTHANASTOCKPACKARDBELLSYSTEM open however. I expect Fugger to change the XS domain name any day now.

can he legally do that?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

RRR grabbed ALL the trademarks including XS and even my name (DarthBeavis). I have it on good advice they left DarthButtplug and BARELYBETTERTHANASTOCKPACKARDBELLSYSTEM open however. I expect Fugger to change the XS domain name any day now.

[[XC] riptide]

WTF? http://oami.europa.eu/CTMOnline/Requ...en_SearchBasic

I typed in "Bitspower".

I tried the same search just now...

Owner
Help
Name: Aquatuning GmbH
ID No: 344973
Natural or legal person: Legal entity
Address: Beckheide 13
Post code: 33689
Town: Bielefeld
Country: GERMANY
Correspondence address: Aquatuning GmbH Beckheide 13 D-33689 Bielefeld ALEMANIA
Telephone: 00 49-5205991980
Fax: 00 49-52059919822

Same. Swiftech? Same result.

[Helix354]

Use the advanced search instead of basic, and put aquatuning in the owner name field. Should come up with all the trademarks they have applied for. At a quick glance nothing has changed since I posted the good news about Noctua getting their trademark back from aquatuning. I am betting Noctua threatened AT with something that got them to give up the mark.

[Dreddy71]

RRR grabbed ALL the trademarks including XS and even my name (DarthBeavis). I have it on good advice they left DarthButtplug and BARELYBETTERTHANASTOCKPACKARDBELLSYSTEM open however. I expect Fugger to change the XS domain name any day now.

Hmmm this is dire. Is JUSTAREPACKAGEDDELL still available? I've heard rumors of men, men with plans. Top men.

[Helix354]

Just another update:

1 CoolIT Systems CTM 008147662		LOST!
2 ACRyan CTM 008109894			Unresolved
3 Thermochill CTM 008109886		LOST!
4 Dye Bomb CTM 007605637		Owned
5 Swiftech CTM 007605611		Unresolved
6 SilenX iXtrema CTM 007605595		Unresolved
7 Recom CTM 007605587			Unresolved
8 XSPC CTM 007542327			LOST!
9 Masterkleer CTM 007542293		Unresolved
10 Noctua CTM 007542236			LOST!
11 Koolance CTM 007542194		Abandoned? Not in system anymore
12 Danger Den CTM 007542152		Unresolved
13 Bitspower CTM 007542137		Unresolved
14 aqua tuning CTM 007542129		Owned
15 Yate Loon CTM 007242068		Owned
16 Phobya CTM 007237861			Owned

2 Trademarks Rightfully Owned
2 Trademarks Questionably Owned
4 Trademarks applied for, now in the hands of the rightful owners (through some means I don't know which)
1 Trademark applied for now apparently abandoned.
7 Trademarks still in the process of trying to be stolen

[Logos]

thanks for the heads up I was actually wondering...so you're saying Yate Loon is OK right...so there's been an agreement between the two I suppose.

[scamps]

@Helix354
Unfortunately both Thermochill and XSPC seem to have a strong relationship to Aquatuning, AT is still their main distributor in Germany. So your "LOST!" is is no real progress in this matter.

Koolance is still almost exclusivly distributed in Germany by Aquatuning.

Sadly there is still no change regarding Swiftech, Bitspower and DangerDen
But AT seems to have problems with fresh supply at least from Bitspower and DangerDen By contrast Swiftech products (also new ones) are still in stock at AT.

If there is any boycott from suppliers side it comes from Bitspower (in Germany distributed by Caseking with an enhanced program, now, no products left at AT) and DangerDen (no big presence in Germany at all).

[century child]

So now they have started copying Bitspower fittings. Take a look at the selection of new products. There are several blatant rip-offs in there.

[Helix354]

@Helix354
Unfortunately both Thermochill and XSPC seem to have a strong relationship to Aquatuning, AT is still their main distributor in Germany. So your "LOST!" is is no real progress in this matter.

Koolance is still almost exclusivly distributed in Germany by Aquatuning.

Sadly there is still no change regarding Swiftech, Bitspower and DangerDen
But AT seems to have problems with fresh supply at least from Bitspower and DangerDen By contrast Swiftech products (also new ones) are still in stock at AT.

If there is any boycott from suppliers side it comes from Bitspower (in Germany distributed by Caseking with an enhanced program, now, no products left at AT) and DangerDen (no big presence in Germany at all).

"LOST!" means that AT does not own the trademark, they have lost their bid to own it. Those trademarks that are marked as "LOST!" are now owned by the rightful owners. Like I said, I don't know what the means used to obtain this outcome were. Some may have pressured AT to give up their bid and voluntarily transfer ownership of the trademark, others may have gone through the formal complaint process.

But I wouldn't expect scamps to actually check the system for himself and verify what I have said from his history in this thread....

As for Yate-Loon, no they are not safe. The Yate-Loon trademark is owned by Aquatuning for EU. All trademarks marked as "Owned" are currently registered and owned by Aquatuning. Yate-Loon would be one of the two questionably or wrongfully owned trademarks.

[scamps]

...But I wouldn't expect scamps to actually check the system for himself and verify what I have said from his history in this thread....

if this misunderstanding is still not cleared up - I can´t change it

What I wanted to mention: Regarding the market situation in Germany the problem is still unsolved, yet. Thermochill- and XSPC-products are even more exclusivly distributed in Germany by AT today as months before (although Thermochill- and XSPC-rights are "lost").

Swiftech still lists AT as reseller on their website. A-C-Shop as one other reseller (my favourite ) must not use the brand in their shop at all. Unbelievable.

Thermochill, XSPC and Koolance are listing AT as one and only reseller in Germany.

So I am still waiting on the visible resistance of the manufacturers against those machinations of AT ... Bitspower is the one and only who has clearly exchanged his distributor, yet - even regardless of the trademark.

AT themselves is copying or rebranding ("Phobya") more and more products formerly known under other brands.

So there are no good news at all (except Bitspower).

[Helix354]

What I wanted to mention: Regarding the market situation in Germany the problem is still unsolved, yet. Thermochill- and XSPC-products are even more exclusivly distributed in Germany by AT today as months before (although Thermochill- and XSPC-rights are "lost").

I don't know how much clearer I can make it...

AQUATUNING "LOST" THEIR BID TO OWN THE THERMOCHILL AND XSPC TRADEMARKS. THOSE TRADEMARKS ARE NOW OWNED BY THERMOCHILL AND XSPC RESPECTIVELY.

Obviously the companies have come to some sort of agreement or understanding.

[scamps]

only your last one is clear enough - so tell it like it is:

While (and although and not because) a lot of people in Germany (incl. myself) and abroad boycott Aquatuning some of the companies seem to have come to an arrangement with AT. What is Thermochill, XSPC and Koolance (and perhaps Swiftech).

[Till]

AT themselves is copying or rebranding ("Phobya") more and more products formerly known under other brands.
So there are no good news at all (except Bitspower).

It's easy to recognize lots of products coming out of the same factory in asia only with different names on em.
"OCZ", "Danger Den" or "Phobya" stickers wont change the product itself, when comes out the same factory.
The tubes, pumps, radiators all remain the same product, no matter what your distributor calls them.

Same with cars. Renault ("Espace"), Mercedes ("Vito"), Ford ("Galaxy"), Alfa Romeo... they all had the same VR6 Engine by Volkswagen if you ordered the V6 engine version. There might be a different piece of plastic on it labeled "xyz", but underneath it was all the same.

[Kadett]

Just wanted to order some WC parts from AT and then I read this topic. Still gonna order there probably, with my total setup AT is about €50,- cheaper then the next Dutch retailer. Shipping abroad from the US means paying import taxes and adding up to the same price difference with only more delay's.

[masska]

Just wanted to order some WC parts from AT and then I read this topic. Still gonna order there probably, with my total setup AT is about €50,- cheaper then the next Dutch retailer. Shipping abroad from the US means paying import taxes and adding up to the same price difference with only more delay's.

Welcome to XS

which other retailer are you referring to?

[Kadett]

Been here for a while now, lurking around in the LC section

IIRC there are only 3 big dutch Retailers AT, Highflow and FreezingHardware

[masska]

doesn't Highflow stock what you want. And if not. I'm sure Freddy will get it in for you.

[Mazlov]

I'd go with Highflow idd. Not sure if freezingHw has an u-to-date stock.

[Kadett]

Freezing Hardware isn't up to date. Just checked again with Highflow. Mmmmmm apparently made a mistake last time (ie more expensive barbs x10 = big difference). Difference now is just €23,- mostly due to the Swiftech XT being €13,- more. Better to support a local Dutch retailer then a big German company :P

[DarthBeavis]

It's easy to recognize lots of products coming out of the same factory in asia only with different names on em.
"OCZ", "Danger Den" or "Phobya" stickers wont change the product itself, when comes out the same factory.
The tubes, pumps, radiators all remain the same product, no matter what your distributor calls them.

Same with cars. Renault ("Espace"), Mercedes ("Vito"), Ford ("Galaxy"), Alfa Romeo... they all had the same VR6 Engine by Volkswagen if you ordered the V6 engine version. There might be a different piece of plastic on it labeled "xyz", but underneath it was all the same.

Danger Den NEVER claimed to produce pumps, tubing, or radiators. Their bread the butter are water-blocks and cases. I hope you are not saying these are produced abroad (generally). I have seen their equipment (please do not turn that into a ghey comment). . . and production.

[scamps]

only your last one is clear enough - so tell it like it is:

While (and although and not because) a lot of people in Germany (incl. myself) and abroad boycott Aquatuning some of the companies seem to have come to an arrangement with AT. What is Thermochill, XSPC and Koolance (and perhaps Swiftech).

quoted from ATs website today:

Koolance, a watercooling manufacturer from the USA, has grown more and more popular in Europe over the last years, and that for a reason: Koolance stands for excellent quality and innovative products in the watercooling sector with a unique chrome design. After long negotiations now a distribution contract was signed. This means for our customers that soon even more Koolance products will be available, and for resellers that there now is one central contact person in the EU and less bureaucracy

[masska]

anyone have any more news or updates?

[Sadasius]

Not that I know of.