The official GT300/Fermi Thread

[BenchZowner]

assume

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p.s. I really enjoy reading this topic.
Easily puts the latest cinematic drama & trash-level comedies to sleep

[Florinmocanu]

well, everyone is "assuming". We do not know any facts, so we can just "assume". No harm in doing that.

But if you have some "hard facts" you want to contribute to clear some matters, please do, we would like that.

[BenchZowner]

Seems like assuming the worst is easier than good nowadays.

How naive could somebody be to think that nVIDIA or any other manufacturer would decide upon something without weighting the effect of their decision with several performance tests.

Anyways... I stopped giving a f*, why would I want to share any information now ?
No matter what people could show or not, it would start a flame war and a conspiracy theory as usual.

No way of stopping this negative assumptionism, and TBH I wouldn't like to see this stop, it's quite entertaining

[Florinmocanu]

Well, the fx series did not properly support the DX9 standards, and it was shown later that it did poorly in DX9 games, so i think nvidia already showed it can make such a "bad" decision, overlooking the full implementation of a Directx API.

[JohnZS]

Well, the fx series did not properly support the DX9 standards, and it was shown later that it did poorly in DX9 games, so i think nvidia already showed it can make such a "bad" decision, overlooking the full implementation of a Directx API.

Very true, I belive that was because nVidia put all their eggs into the OpenGL and Cg basket where the FX series did do quite well. I recall that Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness (DirectX9 game) brought the FX cards to their knees and even ran choppy in some areas on the Radeon 9700, however using the Cg shader path it ran quite well on the FX (almost as good as the 9700).

I might be wrong though...

As for the tesselation ATi used to do hardware tesselation on the Radeon 8500 (Truform I belive it was once called), this was really good in Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Serious Sam, however the Radeon 9700 series cards dropped the hardware tesselation and opted for software Truform II, this killed performance... it would be interesting to see how the GT300 copes with tesselation as IMHO I can see nVidia having the edge with DriectX11 compute, but ATi having the edge with the tesselation features.

John

[Chumbucket843]

fermi to be in petascale supercomputer.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...rcomputer.aspx

[mindfury]

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=...ey=&#100973314

I was forced to use usb monitor as GPUs haven't any video output (this engineering samples of Fermi are Tesla like, but they have 1.5GB of memory each like GT300 will).
Because of the new MIMD architecture (they have 32 clusters of 16 shaders) i was not able to load them at 100% in any other way but to launch 1 F@H client per cluster and per card. Every client is GPU3 core Beta (Open MM library). I supose it is much more efficient then previous GPU2. In addition they need very little memory to run. Having 16GB of DDR3 and using Windows 7 Enterprise I've managed to run 200 instances of F@H GPU and 4 CPU (i7 processor HT off). The 7th card is not fully loaded. This could also be an issue with EVGA X58 mobo.
I use together two Silverstone Strider PSU's 1500W each that is probably too much but
now I experiment with overclocking (cards are factory unlocked). Max power consumption
I've noticed was 2400W.
The whole system is cooled by my own construction of liquid CO2 which is heavy an inconvenient and I have to supply a new cylinder every 5 days.

It's probably actually closer to:
(30) 275's + CPU now a push = (7) Fermi

(30) 275's / (7) Fermi = 4.285 X as fast...


Power considerations:
He has (2) 1500W PSU's, using 2400 watts.

So lets say his i7 CPU uses 150 watts...

2400 watts - 150 = 2,250 GPU watts total.

2,250 / 7 Fermi = 321 watts per GPU...

[Helloworld_98]

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=...ey=&#100973314

then add in energy used by the motherboard, memory, hard drive, and it comes to about 313w per card.

those fermi's use an awful lot of energy, we're definitely not seeing a dual GPU card fermi until a die shrink, even then energy usage might be a bit high.

[trinibwoy]

Heh, so I guess you guys figure the PSU is 100% efficient too In any case there's no reason to believe him until he provides some kinda proof.

A little bird told me 4 SMP, 31 GPU, and the rest are CPU clients (at least in the last 7 days).

http://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.ph...=11717#p114890

[saaya]

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=...1&key=�

The whole system is cooled by my own construction of liquid CO2 which is heavy an inconvenient and I have to supply a new cylinder every 5 days.

you might not get the hint, but hes just bsing to make fun of people who desperately wait for gt300

[gOJDO]

you might not get the hint, but hes just bsing to make fun of people who desperately wait for gt300

Today it is hard to be stupid! The competitiion is very strong...

[zalbard]

you might not get the hint, but hes just bsing to make fun of people who desperately wait for gt300

LOL, and I actually believed it... Was fishy, though, he mentioned USB monitor also, very weird.
Funny btw, quite a few Nvidia fanboys stopped posting almost completely on these forums. Perhaps they're just banned from the news section, though...

[VoodooProphetII]

Or perhaps they just decided not to take part in the discussion which would be the better choice. I mean we have som many "know it all" people on this forum.

[gOJDO]

Or perhaps they just decided not to take part in the discussion

Fans may stay out of the discussion...
But fanboys...no chance! They will enter every discussion regarding their beloved brand(not prouct) or its competition and will blindly deffend/attack the beloved brand/cometition in every opportunity they will have, without facts, arguments and logical explanations.

[VoodooProphetII]

I don't know. I just see a fair amount of assumptions from both sides of the fence.

But as BenchZowner mentioned in an earlier post, it is easier to assume the worst.

[XSAlliN]

Nvidia's CEO, gets informed about ATI's Evergreen series

[WeeMaan]

Nvidia's CEO, gets informed about ATI's Evergreen series

old...

[N19h7m4r3]

Lord some this guy seems like the definition of fanboy...

So evergreen is the fastest single chip right now. Big deal.

While ATi is continously resort to smaller fab (which has a limit) and faster mems, nVidia is actually mitigating the limit with newer architecture and efficient processing. Once their next gen grabbed the foothold on the game development scene, ATi will come in following the trend of the architecture (much like they did with G80 and its unified shader). Monkey see monkey do with the architecture, and fail at it on 2 generations.

GDDR4, GDDR5, 55nm. etc.. They resort to those brute force to have higher clocks so that they can counter nvidia's architecture. nVidia can integrate GDDR4, GDDR5, 55nm fab etc if they wanted to. But they do not because that will leave the competetion to the dust. DX10.1 is a joke. and we have yet to see DX11 titles proliferating. Because whatever DX9 consoles release, that is the limit to what the PC games graphics' have.

Gotta love youtube comments.

[Jamesrt2004]

Lord some this guy seems like the definition of fanboy...


Gotta love youtube comments.

seen that it made my day lol

[OutSider]

describes this guy

[Vit^pr0n]

describes this guy

Now that is hilarious.

I'll be saving that for future purposes

[trinibwoy]

Heh, looks like a lot of guys are Nvidia fanboys and don't know it yet.

[FischOderAal]

Was fishy, though, he mentioned USB monitor also, very weird.

I was quite sure it was fishy right from the beginning. NVIDIA might have a few cards running but why would they give such an amount of cards to one person? Just doesn't make any sense at all imho.

With USB-monitors such things could be meant:
http://www.lindy.de/usb-2-vga-adapter/42983.html

[0xdeadbeef]

LOL, and I actually believed it... Was fishy, though, he mentioned USB monitor also, very weird.

Maybe not that weird after all:

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInf...-A1&family=USB

[Sn0wm@n]

so anyone have cold hard fact of proven fermi performance??? or is it all going to be some lame video claiming it rendered some movie who came out 6month ago???