The only thing that can save these cards is price. If priced less they can be a good option. It would of been nice to have a performance boost to at least make these more atractive than the 4850/70/90. Thats all Im saying. If I couldnt afford a 5850/70 I would still of liked to be able to buy a product better than the 4800 series for around the same price. If that was the case these would be golden.