The ATI Radeon 5XXX Thread

[Manicdan]

Hey Guys, I just wanted to give me two cents and also get your opintion on my future upgrade. These news card do sound really good. I am currently running nVidia 8800GT and I wanted to know what Version of the Card would you guys recommend me upgrading too. I am a picky person. I do play gaming on my PC, Blu-Ray, and other Cool Stuff.

I also wanted to ask that I was playing NFS Most Wanted on my 360 and there were alot more Graphics then I have currently on my PC. I play the same game on my PC and there are a lot Graphic Elements that are missing. Does this means that my Graphic Card isn't as powerful as my 360. Your Thougts Please?

Josh

i would just keep waiting out, prices will go down fast in the next 4 months. as long as there isnt a game you cant enjoy with new hardware, dont upgrade.

[Eastcoasthandle]

I wanna see 5870 X2 to the gtx380 (or even gtx395). Which ever wins (most likely 5870x2) will be my next buy.

I'm not counting on the gtx395 though... if it does get released... it will get released months after words like the gtx295 and will cost significantly more

so my next buy is looking to be a 5870 x2 massive step up from my gtx285 if these benchs are true

hopefully won't be too bottlenecked on a q9550 @ 4 ghz... anyone think it will be?

It's shouldn't be a bottleneck with current games. And with the features DX11 will offer I wouldn't think you would run into problems.

[iTravis]

Hey Guys, I just wanted to give me two cents and also get your opintion on my future upgrade. These news card do sound really good. I am currently running nVidia 8800GT and I wanted to know what Version of the Card would you guys recommend me upgrading too. I am a picky person. I do play gaming on my PC, Blu-Ray, and other Cool Stuff.

I also wanted to ask that I was playing NFS Most Wanted on my 360 and there were alot more Graphics then I have currently on my PC. I play the same game on my PC and there are a lot Graphic Elements that are missing. Does this means that my Graphic Card isn't as powerful as my 360. Your Thougts Please?

Josh

If I remember correctly then the Xenos GPU of the 360 is as powerful as a 7800/7900 series so obviously your 8800GT is better. Judging from the specs from your rig I think you're being held by that video card and I would say it's time to retire it to upgrade. Depends on what resolution you game at which I assume 1900x1200, a HD4890 or GTX 275 should work just fine or better yet, wait for these HD58xx series coming out next weeks. Either way, you'll see a big improvement over that 8800GT.

[FlanK3r]

next pics

[FischOderAal]

Jesus, stop quoting pics!

[DdotRoq]

Hopefully ATI will announce an insane HD5890 and someone can put 4 GPU's into one PCB then use four of these on a sixteen-crossfire setup and drive 96 screens, each on 1900x1200 res.

- Wishful stupid thinking.

[Hornet331]

Jesus, stop quoting pics!

indeed, especial jaredpace.... we don't need the same pic over and over again... most of them are already posted in this thread.

[zerazax]

Crysis isn't the only benchmark, but how many other games right now are still unplayable maxed out even current hardware? Most people still rocking the old 8800GTX's haven't had the need to upgrade because they still play everything fine! Nothing else has looked as good as crysis, and no other game has brought hardware down like crysis... Thus, yes our eyes are on it's performance.

Also, it has been stated time and time again, the problem IS the hardware and not the engine. No other game has that many shaders, that far of a draw distance, that caliber of special effects, that many polygons, that much effected by the physics, AND that high resolution of textures at the same time. It was made for future hardware, but sadly that deal was sealed right before the sudden slow-down in hardware acceleration, which began when ATi realized they couldn't continue to compete in the high-end after the R600 costed them way more than they ever made back off of it.

In short, Crysis is the only bench that gives us a glimpse of what future games will really push these cards to, and as such it's the numbers most of us care most about. IF any other game tried to push that level of detail, you wouldn't be able to max that out either...

With all due respect, that's quite an assumption that all game companies out there want to code their games like Crysis.

Truth of the matter is, different companies code things differently - and yes, while Crysis is visually stunning, that doesn't mean it was coded properly for the hardware

Who's to say that Crytek didn't realize they made a huge mistake and are changing things for the path that video cards and API standards are going? Keep in mind that at the time CryEngine2 was being developed (and keep in mind, these things are laid out well before they get released), the industry also wasn't sure how DX10 and unified shaders would go, how video card and fab technology would work, etc. For all we know, since we do not know how the internal workings of Crytek goes (and they wouldn't admit it anyways), they gambled on the wrong architecture path or direction that DX went off on.

Looking at the demo of CryEngine3 on the EyeInfinity - the fact that CryEngine3 is already running on large resolutions in what looks to be pretty good details, who's to say that Crytek didn't realize their deficiencies and have now optimized their new engine for what direction hardware is going on now?

Crysis might be the most visually stunning game right now, but that does not mean it is the future direction of video game design (it could be, but I'm saying that it's a big logical assumption due to the limited knowledge we have of how it was actually coded/optimized to work).

As for the rest of the benchmarks out there...

Can people friggin' wait for some real world benches? When the 48xx series was released, the cards were being compared to the 9800 GTX and 8800GT and people were saying "Wow, 48xx is such a dissapointment, it's only being benched against the 9800GTX and 8800GT." - Then real world benches came out and showed that they were too close for comfort for the GT200 cards

[villa1n]

Hey Guys, I just wanted to give me two cents and also get your opintion on my future upgrade. These news card do sound really good. I am currently running nVidia 8800GT and I wanted to know what Version of the Card would you guys recommend me upgrading too. I am a picky person. I do play gaming on my PC, Blu-Ray, and other Cool Stuff.

I also wanted to ask that I was playing NFS Most Wanted on my 360 and there were alot more Graphics then I have currently on my PC. I play the same game on my PC and there are a lot Graphic Elements that are missing. Does this means that my Graphic Card isn't as powerful as my 360. Your Thougts Please?

Josh

Definitely, but the 8800gt should be stronger than an XboX. As for the upgrade card, depends on what resolution you plan on gaming at... 5870 might be overkill if you only game at 1680x1050 in which case just wait for the release and the prices of 4890's or gtx 275/285s to drop like a brick

[AKM]

Hey Guys, I just wanted to give me two cents and also get your opintion on my future upgrade. These news card do sound really good. I am currently running nVidia 8800GT and I wanted to know what Version of the Card would you guys recommend me upgrading too. I am a picky person. I do play gaming on my PC, Blu-Ray, and other Cool Stuff.

I also wanted to ask that I was playing NFS Most Wanted on my 360 and there were alot more Graphics then I have currently on my PC. I play the same game on my PC and there are a lot Graphic Elements that are missing. Does this means that my Graphic Card isn't as powerful as my 360. Your Thougts Please?

Josh

IMO you should wait for Radeon 5850, I also have a 8800 GT that needs replacing and the 5850 should provide a solid performance increase.

BTW does anyone know if the 5850 will require two 6-pin PCI-E connectors?

[astrallite]

Well from these slides we would be expecting a ~35-38% increase in framerate compared to the GTX285 in regards to Crysis 1080p Very High (no AA/AF).

So that is pretty much 4870X2 numbers--minimum framerate probably around 19-20, average around 35 (on an i7 @ 4ghz).

It's an improvement but if your idea is gaming maxed out in Crysis you may want to wait on GT300. Although to be honest, if GT300 is to 5870 as GTX285 is to 4890, Crysis sans AA/AF still has unacceptable performance this generation (single GPU wise). You may be looking at a "FTW" edition refresh of GT300 before we see a single GPU that has a minimum framerate above 30fps.

[zerazax]

Also depends on how late GT300 is to the party. History hasn't been kind to the card that comes out very late...

[LordEC911]

BTW does anyone know if the 5850 will require two 6-pin PCI-E connectors?

Possible but doubtful since 5870 supposedly has a TDP ~180-190w.
Max TDP for 5850 would have to be ~120-130w to have a single 6pin.
I put my estimate around 140-150w for the 5850 TDP.
It would make sense though to limit the overclocking ability.

[Utnorris]

Has anyone seen these numbers:

http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f...hit-web-66284/

[MirageSys]

Has anyone seen these numbers:

http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f...hit-web-66284/

They were posted 3 pages back or so.

[Utnorris]

Oh, pages are moving quickly then.

[AffenJack]

We all know that RV870 is a native dual-core

No, it`s just a Dual Rasterizer, not Dual Core. No SFR. The Rasterizer was a limiting unit in the last generation, so they doubled it. Especially Tesselation needs a stronger Rasterizer. Maybe we`ll see a similar approach in GT300, the GT200 Rasterizer is also a limiting part.

[eric66]

dual setup battle yay

[vegettoxp]

If I remember correctly then the Xenos GPU of the 360 is as powerful as a 7800/7900 series so obviously your 8800GT is better. Judging from the specs from your rig I think you're being held by that video card and I would say it's time to retire it to upgrade. Depends on what resolution you game at which I assume 1900x1200, a HD4890 or GTX 275 should work just fine or better yet, wait for these HD58xx series coming out next weeks. Either way, you'll see a big improvement over that 8800GT.

Thank you for your input. I had a crazy feeling that it was my video card. I have been a Big nvidia Fan, but I think I will give a try to ATI for once and see how things are. It was crazy, because I enjoy playing games on PC, but when I see better Graphic on the 360, it makes me go Banana. Well I will wait for the official ATI Release and see whats 58xx Fits my need.

My Graphic Card Usage:

I have a 22" LCD now, but I am planning to get me a TV 42" that I will hookup my computer too. So Your Thoughts on This? Samsung TV Of Course. Can Recommendationa?

For now I will be playing games on 22" LCD, but future Bigger Screen.

Josh

[zerazax]

If the 5870X2 really is 2x 5870 (nothing downclocked etc.) then it's going to be a pretty beastly card

Thank you for your input. I had a crazy feeling that it was my video card. I have been a Big nvidia Fan, but I think I will give a try to ATI for once and see how things are. It was crazy, because I enjoy playing games on PC, but when I see better Graphic on the 360, it makes me go Banana. Well I will wait for the official ATI Release and see whats 58xx Fits my need.

My Graphic Card Usage:

I have a 22" LCD now, but I am planning to get me a TV 42" that I will hookup my computer too. So Your Thoughts on This? Samsung TV Of Course. Can Recommendationa?

For now I will be playing games on 22" LCD, but future Bigger Screen.

Josh

If you're indeed moving to a 1080p screen, then definitely go for a 5870 or if you're going to wait, any of the higher end current gen cards (at a cheap price, that is) would be a good get to hold you over. Go for at least 1GB. A 2GB 5870 would last a while though!

[Hornet331]

wonder how much better cf would perform on X58 platform.

[Chumbucket843]

wonder how much better cf would perform on X58 platform.

bit-tech has an article on p55 v x58 and x58 got like 20% faster fps in crossfire. these cards wil make p55 a joke. we need pci-e 3.0 pronto.

[bowman]

Grr, why isn't anyone benching GTA IV? That's one of the more demanding games, even if it doesn't look the part.

[villa1n]

wonder how much better cf would perform on X58 platform.

I must be blind, but what was the test bed for those numbers... If it was phenom, it would be very interesting to see if there was bottlenecking at any of those resolutions..

[clayton]

OMFG, do want!