Radeon HD 5870 Six with 6 display outputs, prices, performance

[Vit^pr0n]

You know what really makes me tingle? The moment Nvidia shows up with their $400+ cards, ATi will be dropping the 5870 to $299-350, and even lower as time goes by. Talk about getting bang for buck. A card as fast ( Or faster ) than the GTX295, for half the price, with MORE features.

I'm not sure how Nvidia is going to top this. I highly doubt Nvidia's next-gen GTX380 is going to be more than 2x the performance of the GTX280. I just can't see it since they use such large chips. Going by rumoured specs, it looks like they're sticking with their large chips.

Either way, this generation, we CUSTOMERS win! It's going to be a great gaming year this time around fellas.

[Jowy Atreides]

I love marketing :P

250% hehe...

Me too. I was a marketer during Uni.

There's marketing and there's stating specs.
One thing you learn early on is that black hat marketing doesn't fly in the courtroom.

It's simple logical deduction.

RV870 is based on the RV770 after all. High clockspeeds, more refined AA handling, 1600 shaders ....yeah

[NapalmV5]

one Q.. 2gb 5870 available @ launch ??

[~CS~]

lol wut?
specs are out..

and this might give u an idea about the benchmarks, though the HD5870 is overclocked:
http://translate.google.nl/translate...a%3Dpage%253D1

OMG its true , 5870 shreds a GTX 295 O.O for 400 $

[Solus Corvus]

So you're saying that a card (taking flagship from the 4890) with nearly 3 teraflops processing power isn't going to be as fast as a 4890

..yeah

playable fps in Dirt 2 at massive resolutions with all the details on is proof alone that there's no slouch here

Of course I'm not foolish enough to believe that ATI would release a nextgen card with such low performance.

But I can pretty much guarantee that there are people out there that saw the nordichardware article, thought "only 40% more then a 4870/90?" (even though that's not exactly what it said), and then felt a warming in their heart.

[Jowy Atreides]

Of course I'm not foolish enough to believe that ATI would release a nextgen card with such low performance.

But I can pretty much guarantee that there are people out there that saw the nordichardware article, thought "only 40% more then a 4870/90?" (even though that's not exactly what it said), and then felt a warming in their heart.

Oh, I thought you meant less performance than 25-40% but you meant nvidia fanboys hoping for that case.

I stand corrected

[cegras]

It'll be a breath of fresh air to see the nvidiots cowering under the mud slinging from the ati-fanboys. I almost look forward to complete personality reversals as staunch defenders of the GT200 cower with their excuses of ... price/performance?

[Tim]

You know what really makes me tingle? The moment Nvidia shows up with their $400+ cards, ATi will be dropping the 5870 to $299-350, and even lower as time goes by. Talk about getting bang for buck. A card as fast ( Or faster ) than the GTX295, for half the price, with MORE features.

I'm not sure how Nvidia is going to top this. I highly doubt Nvidia's next-gen GTX380 is going to be more than 2x the performance of the GTX280. I just can't see it since they use such large chips. Going by rumoured specs, it looks like they're sticking with their large chips.

Either way, this generation, we CUSTOMERS win! It's going to be a great gaming year this time around fellas.

These cards will last 4 years perfectely fine. If a 8800 GTX is still serving me well, imagine how these cards will do in years to come.

[Sly Fox]

It'll be a breath of fresh air to see the nvidiots cowering under the mud slinging from the ati-fanboys. I almost look forward to complete personality reversals as staunch defenders of the GT200 cower with their excuses of ... price/performance?

I guess we'll really know for sure pretty soon who actually likes ATI and who just loves rooting for the underdog.

[initialised]

ATI said it - 2.5 times the computational power.
That's nearly 3 teraflops of brute power alone

If it has 2.5 the specs of a 4870 then it's about 25% more powerful than the 4870x2
Since the rumour said it has a 25-40% increase over the previous generation then it ties in perfectly with the 4870x2 comparison.

I though they said 2.5 TFlops which is more like 220% or a little bit faster than my 4870x2. But double shaders at 4890 frequencies means 4890CF performance. Anyway, we'll see when the performance numbers come tomorrow :crosses fingers and toes:

It would have been nice if they had fraps running in the HAWX video, 4870x2 plays that really well. It looked fluid but without knowing their settings it's hard to guess at performance levels.

Awesome tech demo

If we're taking sides here then I'll confess to owning a first gen 64MB Radeon ViVo, X800XL, 2 2900XT 512MBs, 2900XT 1GB DDR4, 4870 512, 4670 512MB & 4870x2 (triple slot monster variant) and only one high end nVidia: 8800GTS 512MB (before it got shrunk, renamed, twice and still didn't come close to my clocks). I liked the 8800GTS but I bought it because I couldn't get 2x3850 512MB at the time and killed it just before the 4870 came out. So you could probably say I actually like ATi, at a pinch.

[onethreehill]

EDIT: Rumours - for comparision

HD 5870 :
• 850MHz/1200MHz
• Idle: 26 watts
• Peak: 190 watts
• Price: 1GB $349/2GB $399
• September 22-24

HD 5850 :
• 700MHz/1000MHz
• Price: 1GB $299
• September 22-24

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread...49120&page=103

[crystogod]

Aren't those 8800gts


...sorry, I mean 9800gtx ....9800gtx + cards ...not 280's?

Yes, these are 9800GTX+ cards, but they share the same intake as the GTX280

The GTX280 does not use the same type of fan (axial) as ATI's coolers do (radial). Your experiment is flawed from the beginning. =P

You mean centrifugal right, cause your wrong on both accounts, they both share a centrifugal blower design of radial type time for some experiments i think

[initialised]

So it is double a RV770!

Bring on the benchmarks.

[eleeter]

I'm not sure how Nvidia is going to top this. I highly doubt Nvidia's next-gen GTX380 is going to be more than 2x the performance of the GTX280. I just can't see it since they use such large chips. Going by rumoured specs, it looks like they're sticking with their large chips

I have a feeling Nvidia will expand on their exclusive feature push for the 300 series. In other words, we will see significant % of silicon specifically designed for non gaming type applications (not sure exactly what they will be bringing new to the table) and of course will continue to push PhysX, 3D gaming etc.

As for gaming performance, Nvidia is limited by TSMC just as AMD is on how many transistors they can pack into one die. Will Nvidia go for an insane transistor count, yields and cost be damned? I honestly don't know.

[crystogod]

So it is double a RV770!

Bring on the benchmarks.

So it's a 4870x2 on a single die? with about 20% more speed on the Core?

[eleeter]

So it's a 4870x2 on a single die?

No.

[onethreehill]

Rumours:

HD 5870 :
• 850MHz/1200MHz
• Idle: 26 watts
• Peak: 190 watts
• Price: 1GB $349/2GB $399
• September 22-24

HD 5850 :
• 700MHz/1000MHz
• Price: 1GB $299
• September 22-24

[NapalmV5]

yay!!! ill definitely get a 5870

[crystogod]

No.

I thought a 4870x2 was 2 x RV770, which is what seems the specs are on the 5870?

[annihilat0r]

Do you think 2GB would be a worthy investment over 1GB at 1920x1080 resolution?

[crystogod]

Do you think 2GB would be a worthy investment over 1GB at 1920x1080 resolution?

If you running max eye candy, AA & AF it would help out.

[eleeter]

I thought a 4870x2 was 2 x RV770, which is what seems the specs are on the 5870?

In a very general sense yes, your statement would be correct. But the 5870 is not two 4870s glued together, or a side by side MCM design, or anything like that.

[jaredpace]

Do you think 2GB would be a worthy investment over 1GB at 1920x1080 resolution?

Depends on if you like unnecessarilyy high texture settings like large view distances, custom texture-mods, increased texture-paks, and super stupid AA levels on stuff like crysis, GTAIV, ARMA & clearsky. IMO it will be hard to push the Vmem over 1024mb, I saw a review do it using gtaiv and large view distances, and with crysis custom texture mods...2GB only good for uber elite users, or those who want to keep using their 5870 well into future games with higher requirements.

[crystogod]

In a very general sense yes, your statement would be correct. But the 5870 is not two 4870s glued together, or a side by side MCM design, or anything like that.

Noo lol i must of made myself unclear, the power in the of the 4870x2 is found in the single core (die) of the 5870

[eleeter]

Noo lol i must of made myself unclear, the power in the of the 4870x2 is found in the single core (die) of the 5870

Ah okay. At least a 4870x2 without the limitations of Crossfire, plus other enhancements, DX11, and I'm sure a bunch of smaller stuff we don't know about yet.