I had a 5950UltraOriginally Posted by Sly Fox
Let's just all agree that the 5800 Ultra was the most obnoxious card ever and move on with our lives.
Ati's version is the 2900XT, i think the 2900 is the worst video card of all time, the fact the ATI was so desperate and released it knowing it was garbage is even worse.
That's not quite fair. The 2900 is kind of the Vista of GPUs. It has a rep for being this big, awful "thing" when in reality it works fine. It wasn't a screamer, but it provided good performance. A Radeon 2900 Pro 1GB carried me through Crysis alright.I had a 5950Ultra
Ati's version is the 2900XT, i think the 2900 is the worst video card of all time, the fact the ATI was so desperate and released it knowing it was garbage is even worse.
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You have to be joking. I loved my 5950 Ultra in it's day. Damn thing lasted a long time before going "poof" too!I had a 5950Ultra
I am on the edge of my damn seat to see these new cards. I can't sleep anymore!
At least the 2900 XT was priced competitively (8800 GTS 640MB). Nvidia's NV30 generation were all priced as if they were performance leaders.I had a 5950Ultra
Ati's version is the 2900XT, i think the 2900 is the worst video card of all time, the fact the ATI was so desperate and released it knowing it was garbage is even worse.
But yes, R600 was a huge flop when you consider what it could've done and the hype prior to launch (320SP's, 512bit external ring bus, 1GB GDDR4 and etc).
Yes because R300, R400, R500 and RV7x0 were all uncompetitive--oh wait...if theres one thing I've learned about the ATI only crowd, its hope springs eternal. Always hoping to have a product that smashes nvidia the way the 9700pro did and then dancing like little school girls just because it competes.
Last edited by Wesker; 09-08-2009 at 05:45 PM.
So, when the 5870 is going to be demonstrated in public?
If the only purpose of having 2900XT was running 3D Mark, than it was priced competitively. Seriously, Radeon 2000 were garbage.
It was a flop, not only because of the hype, but also because it arrived so late.But yes, R600 was a huge flop when you consider what it could've done and the hype prior to launch (320SP's, 512bit external ring bus, 1GB GDDR4 and etc).
IIRC, it was very competitive with the 8800 GTS (>=) without MSAA. Once you enabled MSAA, however, it got a little murky (<=). This wasn't helped by the terrible drivers at launch time (Again, IIRC, there were times when R580+ managed to outperform R600). I believe several key ATI employees came out saying that they wished drivers were in a much better shape for launch (one of which was Sir Eric Demers, a lead chip architect at ATI).
Massively oversized, a very leaky 80nm process, no hardware based MSAA resolve, premature drivers and a shortage of texture throughput was R600's undoing, IMO.
But the $399 price tag, included Black Box bundle and native sound over HDMI interface kept it from becoming a complete disaster.
EDIT: Changed Orange Box to Black Box.
Last edited by Wesker; 09-08-2009 at 09:28 PM.
Come on already....where are the leaks???
I think the can of wuppass will come in at 2000 sps. haha, ok, well, maybe just hoping.
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Wish someone in China would leak some info about the product already, anyone check chiphell lately for any new info?????
Because he brought it up.Its says P vantage.
Where are you guys getting 3D06 from?
I was trying to make the point that it obviously was Vantage due to the scores.
Umm... wasn't it "Black Box?"
R600's TMUs were amazing there just wasn't enough of them nor clocked high enough, like you said.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
What is this?
Last edited by rekleif; 09-08-2009 at 08:01 PM.
Supposedly one of the midrange cards, aka Juniper.
What is this?
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
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