Hd5870 - $299

[Sparky]

This is a proper new generation architecture, if ATI can't be 80 to 100% faster than a 4870, then they have failed.


What makes you say that?

ATI must be expecting Nvidia to bounce back after a less than stellar GT200 series, they would be fools to think they can just coast.

80-100% increase, otherwise a failure? Please. We don't usually see that much on each new generation from either ATI or nvidia

[Smartidiot89]

80-100% increase, otherwise a failure? Please. We don't usually see that much on each new generation from either ATI or nvidia

I dare say 80-100% increase when it comes to the specifications. The rest is up to the driverteam to fix.

40nm is a perfect opportunity to launch this new series, with excellent transistor density scaling and increase of shader units We've heard of Cypress up to 350mm2 so far.

I am just waiting for ATI to blow Nvidia out of the water this time.

[Chad Boga]

80-100% increase, otherwise a failure? Please. We don't usually see that much on each new generation from either ATI or nvidia

ATI 3870 --> 4870
Nvidia 7800 --> 8800

[Sparky]

ATI 3870 --> 4870
Nvidia 7800 --> 8800

Note I said usually. The 8800 was epic. So was the 4870. Not the norm

[Chad Boga]

Note I said usually. The 8800 was epic. So was the 4870. Not the norm

The 5870 will have twice the ram of the original 4870, along with other architectural improvements, if it isn't 80%+ faster than the 4870(at say 1900x1200, 4xAA), then I would regard that as a failure.

I also expect the GT300 to be 80 to 100% faster than the GT200.

[Hell Hound]

The 5870 will have twice the ram of the original 4870, along with other architectural improvements, if it isn't 80%+ faster than the 4870(at say 1900x1200, 4xAA), then I would regard that as a failure.

I also expect the GT300 to be 80 to 100% faster than the GT200.

+1

[Mr.BSEL]

Well the increase on paper doesn't translate to the same increase in the real world. The 4870 had 2.5 times the shaders of a 3870 which resulted 2 times the performance. Doing the math, a 5870 would have twice the shaders on papers but would only result in 1.6 times the performance over a 4870.

[freeloader]

The 5870 will have twice the ram of the original 4870, along with other architectural improvements, if it isn't 80%+ faster than the 4870(at say 1900x1200, 4xAA), then I would regard that as a failure.

I also expect the GT300 to be 80 to 100% faster than the GT200.

It'll be able to run every damn current game at max settings in the 1900 x whatever, probably at 60fps or more and that's a failure? Jesus man, lower your expectations.

[Chad Boga]

It'll be able to run every damn current game at max settings in the 1900 x whatever, probably at 60fps or more and that's a failure?

Crysis?

What's more, if you are buying a high end card, you also want it to be able to max out games that aren't out yet, but will come out within 6 or so months of the card's release.

Jesus man, lower your expectations.

I'm being realistic.

I expect ATI and Nvidia to make this level of improvement, especially if as stated by jaredpace, there is a 2gig version of the 5870.

I would expect this new gen architecture to make better use of 2gig than the 4870 architecture was capable of doing.

[Hell Hound]

Better scaling also.

[Farinorco]

I'm being realistic.

I expect ATI and Nvidia to make this level of improvement, especially if as stated by jaredpace, there is a 2gig version of the 5870.

I would expect this new gen architecture to make better use of 2gig than the 4870 architecture was capable of doing.

I think you're not. To put it short, you can't expect ATi and NVIDIA to make the fastest advancing technologies in the world, or otherwise they are failing... usually number of transistors, processing speed, memory capacities, etc, doubles more or less every 2 years (Moore's Law). What make you think that if a graphic card manufacturer doesn't double this rate then it's failing?

You mention some past examples (RV770, G80) but you fail to mention that those examples were epic milestones in the history of the company exactly because they were performance jumps much higher than expected and both had a gross impact on the market. Probably other examples can be found during the history of both companies (Radeon 9700/9800, for example, but I don't remember if that was a doubling or not), but you shouldn't consider everything different than an epic, historic success as a fail...

[Vinas]

The 5870 will have twice the ram of the original 4870, along with other architectural improvements, if it isn't 80%+ faster than the 4870(at say 1900x1200, 4xAA), then I would regard that as a failure.

I also expect the GT300 to be 80 to 100% faster than the GT200.

+1 to that.

Look and compare the parts almost always 100% increase in performance. Unless nvidia decides to rename some more of course

Either way it's all speculation. I will buy a couple 5870's at $300 each. For sure.