"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

**cincyrob** · 07-21-2009, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by tentp0le

Ahh k, can I use a "Zalman Fan Mate 2, potentiometer 5V-11V" ? to adjust its speed?

Or anyone have any recommendation for a new CPU fan with 4-pin.

i just got the OCZ Vendetta 2 it is awsome and quiet(sets ontop of my new Q9550) spinning right now at only 945rpm's.

if you have a microcenter near you, you can get one for $29 with a $10 mail in rebate.

**bhishma** · 07-21-2009, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by efok

That depends on which bios you have. From my experience only 1406 and 2201 were stable. All the ones in between didn't work well for my Q9450. You should not need 1.4 with Line load Calibration enabled to hit 3.6.

What GTL's do you have set?

Perhaps try my settings a few posts earlier. Those worked with 1406 and 2201 bios.

We've got pretty similar settings going on. I just flashed my bios to 2201 and re-entered the exact same settings/voltages that I had on my previous bios (which was 1402 btw).

FSB: 445
FSB Strap: 333
DRAM: 1069
5-5-5-15

CPU V: 1.412
GTL 0/1: .635
GTL 2/3: .680
PLL: 1.54
FSB Term: 1.24
DRAM: 2.04
NB: 1.4
GTL: .650
SB: 1.2
PCIE SATA: 1.5

Is it safe to put the PLL at 1.6 and the FSB Term at 1.4? By the time I got my 'stable' overclock to 3.60 there were still discussions as to what PLL and FSB term voltages were safe. I'm nowhere near prime stable at 3.6 (fails in about 10 seconds) but I've been running no prob for 1 year now (games, 24/7 downloads, etc) albeit on an almost purely linux machine.

Any suggestions where I can start poking and prodding again to get at least a stable 3.6 or maybe higher?

**-n7-** · 07-21-2009, 05:28 PM

I really doubt you need 1.4vNB for 450 FSB.

Stop using 5:6 for now; use 1:1 & drop the multi one or two lower while you test for board stability.

You need to dial in your GTLs, & find a mix of vFSB + GTLs & NB + GTL that works, or you'll never pass Large FFTs or LinX/IBT @ max RAM stress.

If you get those figured out, you'll likely be able to get farther, & with less voltage, or at least no higher NB voltage than presently.

**intarweb** · 07-22-2009, 12:01 AM

I'm using 0704 BIOS still on my board. It's been running great for the last year or so. Should I bother upgrading the BIOS?

**Leeghoofd** · 07-22-2009, 12:27 AM

NOPE, if it runs don't bother to update, unless you want to experiment.

Golden rule nr 1 : If it ain't broken don't fix it !

Golden rule nr 2 : Pumping more volts isn't always better on this mobo !

**intarweb** · 07-22-2009, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

NOPE, if it runs don't bother to update, unless you want to experiment.

Golden rule nr 1 : If it ain't broken don't fix it !

Golden rule nr 2 : Pumping more volts isn't always better on this mobo !

Ah, OK. I'll leave it alone, then. I think I've only crashed maybe twice in the last year from what might have been mobo-related, though it's hard to say. I do run Prime95 from time to time and it goes for hours before I bother to shut it off (e.g. seems stable). I tend to follow Golden Rule No. 1 as well. I just wasn't sure if there was some nefarious bug lurking around that had been solved

**scharnhorst** · 07-22-2009, 12:39 AM

Hello,

May I ask you if the last version of ExpressGate for P5Q Deluxe is compliant with the following resolution:

1680*1050

Because on my ExpressGate (with 1406 bios) this resolution is not available.
Thank you very much in advance

**jasjeet** · 07-22-2009, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by -n7-

Just want to offer some encouragement for people running 8 GB on this board.

You really do not need a ton of vFSB or vNB on this board.
It's very much a finesse mobo though.
Brute forcing by using higher voltages pretty much never works...believe me, i've tried.
If you spend time with it, get your vFSB & vNB & GTL perfect (and yes, they have to be perfect or you will get nowhere), it's not bad.

How do i do this, and how will i know when i have the correct settings for this?

Anything above 3.2Ghz on my Q6600 is requiring huge Vcore increases from 1.38 to 1.42 for 3.3Ghz and to 1.48v for 3.4Ghz.

It seems if i dont raise Vcore Prime95 fails Large FFT very quickly.

Ram is set to 1000Mhz stock and 266Mhz strap, currently 400mhz FSB at 8X multi.

Trying to aim higher is not working out, and i really think the GTL's are behind my problems.

Vcore currently: 1.387
vFSBt: 1.2
PLL: 1.5
NB:1.22
GTL's: Auto

**Redrock32** · 07-22-2009, 04:29 AM

Hi

i recently got myself the Q9550 with P5Q Dl, works pretty stable right now at 3,4 (8,5x400) I need 1.256 Vcore.
My load temp is like 63 and is within my personal max of 65.
I've mounted my Mugen propably as far as i know with a drop of artic silver.
But i have no headroom to try a bit more. I need better ram for that anyway

but i'm not sure if this a "normal load temp" ? or should i mount it again..?

**Leeghoofd** · 07-22-2009, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by jasjeet

How do i do this, and how will i know when i have the correct settings for this?

Anything above 3.2Ghz on my Q6600 is requiring huge Vcore increases from 1.38 to 1.42 for 3.3Ghz and to 1.48v for 3.4Ghz.

It seems if i dont raise Vcore Prime95 fails Large FFT very quickly.

Test the CPU first with SMALL FFT and see if it passes, if that is stable move on to blend or large...

Originally Posted by Redrock32

Hi

i recently got myself the Q9550 with P5Q Dl, works pretty stable right now at 3,4 (8,5x400) I need 1.256 Vcore.
My load temp is like 63 and is within my personal max of 65.
I've mounted my Mugen propably as far as i know with a drop of artic silver.
But i have no headroom to try a bit more. I need better ram for that anyway

but i'm not sure if this a "normal load temp" ? or should i mount it again..?

I draw a small line between the cores, could be that drop is not enough, it's fine for dual core cpu's but might be insufficient for quadcores

Check here : Applying Arctic silver on quadcores

**-n7-** · 07-22-2009, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by scharnhorst

Hello,

May I ask you if the last version of ExpressGate for P5Q Deluxe is compliant with the following resolution:

1680*1050

Because on my ExpressGate (with 1406 bios) this resolution is not available.
Thank you very much in advance

Resolution choices are crap on all the BIOS versions.

My monitor's native rez is 2560x1600...ExpressGate doesn't look so hot, haha.

**-n7-** · 07-22-2009, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by jasjeet

How do i do this, and how will i know when i have the correct settings for this?

Anything above 3.2Ghz on my Q6600 is requiring huge Vcore increases from 1.38 to 1.42 for 3.3Ghz and to 1.48v for 3.4Ghz.

It seems if i dont raise Vcore Prime95 fails Large FFT very quickly.

Ram is set to 1000Mhz stock and 266Mhz strap, currently 400mhz FSB at 8X multi.

Trying to aim higher is not working out, and i really think the GTL's are behind my problems.

Vcore currently: 1.387
vFSBt: 1.2
PLL: 1.5
NB:1.22
GTL's: Auto

You need to isolate things when OCing.

As in, don't try to OC everything at once, or you'll not know what's unstable.

Always run RAM at lower speeds while working on CPU.

So try it underclocked, or 1:1, whatever is lowest. Loosen tRD (PL) to less than normal even if you want to be safe.

For testing max CPU in your case, use the highest multi, 9x.

You don't need to worry about GTLs on the P5Qs till 425-450 range, & you can do 9x400 for 3.6 GHz without even nearing there, which means the only real limit is your CPU; it won't be your board.

In your case, if you are using 9x already, it's likely your CPU is nearing its max.

If you want to test for max FSB on the motherboard, you need to run lowest RAM speed + lower than normal multi, so the only thing to worry about is mobo.

That's how to you can fine tune GTLs.

I find certain values will work for certain ranges.

Like for example in my case it's around 0.80 for both FSB & NB.
I run 1.26 vFSB + GTLS @ 0.645 = 0.8127
NB is 1.26 + GTL @ 0.64 = 0.8064 or 1.28 + 0.64 = 0.8192.

Even when i was doing much higher FSB & NB voltage i was getting similar values of ~ 0.80 that were stable.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202292
That's worth reading.

What ones works for you unfortunately may not for me.
I've personally not had success with other people's settings...could be because i have 8 GB, i don't know.
I've had to find my own settings, as for my P5Q-D & even for the short time i had my UD3P, no one else's GTL settings were working for me.

**scharnhorst** · 07-22-2009, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by -n7-

Resolution choices are crap on all the BIOS versions.

My monitor's native rez is 2560x1600...ExpressGate doesn't look so hot, haha.

Thank you very much

**Redrock32** · 07-22-2009, 09:32 AM

[QUOTE=Leeghoofd;3920208] I draw a small line between the cores, could be that drop is not enough, it's fine for dual core cpu's but might be insufficient for quadcores

This article makes me want to try it again...
I've only put an amount in de middle and placed the heatsink.
Maybe the procedure as described could save some degrees..
when i have some updated temps i will post them, first find some time to do it.
thx Leeghoofd

**Porksmuggler** · 07-23-2009, 08:20 PM

hopping in on the voltage talk, not sure if its luck of the draw or that I'm only running a dual core, but low voltages can be stable at 450. this is w/ 6GB mismatched

for around 9 months now...

BIOS 1406

AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 901
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level [10]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.225
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.12
DRAM Voltage: 1.8
NB Voltage: 1.16
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
CPU Margin Enhancement: Optimized

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.0
CPU VID: Default
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

**efok** · 07-27-2009, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by bhishma

We've got pretty similar settings going on. I just flashed my bios to 2201 and re-entered the exact same settings/voltages that I had on my previous bios (which was 1402 btw).

FSB: 445
FSB Strap: 333
DRAM: 1069
5-5-5-15

CPU V: 1.412
GTL 0/1: .635
GTL 2/3: .680
PLL: 1.54
FSB Term: 1.24
DRAM: 2.04
NB: 1.4
GTL: .650
SB: 1.2
PCIE SATA: 1.5

Is it safe to put the PLL at 1.6 and the FSB Term at 1.4? By the time I got my 'stable' overclock to 3.60 there were still discussions as to what PLL and FSB term voltages were safe. I'm nowhere near prime stable at 3.6 (fails in about 10 seconds) but I've been running no prob for 1 year now (games, 24/7 downloads, etc) albeit on an almost purely linux machine.

Any suggestions where I can start poking and prodding again to get at least a stable 3.6 or maybe higher?

I was able to get my Q9450 upto 465FSB and from what I can see the main differences you have are:

FSB Term is far lower than mine. I needed 1.4V
CPU voltage of 1.375 was enough for me with LLC enabled.
CPU GL's I needed around 0.675
and NB 0.645 was best for me.

The final thing is I have 4 x 2GB ram, so I couldn't get it stable over 1000 Mhz no matter what. I had to settle for a lower memory divider that puts me in the 930 range.

Perhaps you can try settings near my ballpark.

**mac_69** · 07-29-2009, 02:37 AM

I got my new board last week (had major system fk up, lost board and GPUs, expensive) and it worked out of the box (and 2201 stable flash - thanks I read this board that it was okay to use) with the old settings for 3.6

Using a single Asus 4770 for now, Ive taken one noctua off the IFX14 cpu cooler and have 2 noctuas case exhaust, 2 case intake (low and and bays) in P182, and using silent profile in Qfan bios, ~900rpm

If I can't repair an 4870 then ill probably just get another 4770 for xfire as they run so cool and quiet, as I don't spend a lot of time gaming

for anyone interested, the single 4770 benched ~15K 3dmark6 and ~P8000 in vantage with 3.6 cpu and max overclock in catalyst

**cmos.gr** · 07-31-2009, 04:15 AM

There is no way i can stabilize my setup.

Q9550 + p5q dlx.

I cant get stable at 410+ fsb.

Always I get error in prime95 (or orthos) at cpu #0 and #1 on BLEND test or LARGE.

Cpu can run small ffts a few hours ~3600mhz ~1.2v but no way to get stable at large ffts or blend.

Tried almost everything , same results.

Its the first time i cant understand if its cpu or motherboard problem.

**Leeghoofd** · 07-31-2009, 05:00 AM

It's neither, the problem is the guy behind the keyboard :p

Better post all ya settings here mate, 410FSb is absolutely a breeze for this motherboard, from 440 on you will need to start tweaking GTL's with a quad...

Fill in this template and we all will have a look : P5Q DLX series template

**cmos.gr** · 07-31-2009, 05:20 AM

well....volts did not help!

I played a little with gtl's.

before:
GTL Ref 0/2 :0.63
GTL Ref 1/3 :0.63

NB GTL : 0.62.

After some reading here I found that I sould change these values to :

GTL Ref 0/2 :0.69
GTL Ref 1/3 :0.69

NB GTL : 0.68

Results are very good untill now, I tested 450fsb blend and it was ok.Should I let them there?

Now I am 420x8.5 @ blend ~40mins and going

CPU Voltage: 1.200
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.69
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.69
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.5
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.1
DRAM Voltage: 1.8
NB Voltage: 1.1
NB GTL Reference: 0.68

One quick question about GTL's

GTL Ref 0/2 means...cpu #0 and #2 ? and GTL Ref 1/3 means #1 , #3 core ?

**Leeghoofd** · 07-31-2009, 05:35 AM

UP NB to at least 1.2. Your FSB term is too low too, FSB term voltage is also related to the NB, try to up to 1.2 or even 1.26... and retweak again...I would leave the CPU GTL4S around 0.65 or even AUTO and tweak NB GTL

**Padol_Inc** · 08-07-2009, 06:35 PM

Hi guys been busy lately that's why i dont have time to play with my toy.. here's my attemp @ 500FSB... =)

Here's what i got so far. any suggestion on the voltages?

vCore: 1.475
FSB Tv: 1.46
PLLv: 1.52
Dram: 2.10
NBv: 1.40

**Leeghoofd** · 08-08-2009, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Padol_Inc

Hi guys been busy lately that's why i dont have time to play with my toy.. here's my attemp @ 500FSB... =)

Here's what i got so far. any suggestion on the voltages?

vCore: 1.475
FSB Tv: 1.46
PLLv: 1.52
Dram: 2.10
NBv: 1.40

Those are wacky volts mate are they just for this screenshot or do you intend to run them dialy ? If you can live with them no problem but I would try to go a bit lower on the FSB Term volt and if possible cool the NB actively plz...

If ya had better rams that could to 1200Mhz it would require less volts for sure to stabilise the rig....

**Padol_Inc** · 08-10-2009, 10:44 PM

Those are wacky volts mate are they just for this screenshot or do you intend to run them dialy ?

its only for screenshot.. what would voltages you suggest? its hard to find a ddr2 capable of running 1200 here in my place.. my nb are actively cooled so no problem there.. thanks bro..

**vrdublu** · 08-11-2009, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Those are wacky volts mate are they just for this screenshot or do you intend to run them dialy ? If you can live with them no problem but I would try to go a bit lower on the FSB Term volt and if possible cool the NB actively plz...

If ya had better rams that could to 1200Mhz it would require less volts for sure to stabilise the rig....

Leeghoofd: Quick question for ya, my current setup is:
Cpu Vtt = 1.3375
CPU GTL = Auto
FSB = 533
Mem VT = 2.02
CPU FSB Vtt = 1.4
NB Vtt = 1.36

My question is if you have run 8 gig ram at that high a fsb and what kind of results did you have?? Did you need to push the NB much higher and how did that affect the CPU Fsb Vtt?? Any help would be appreciated, I am currently running @ 333 strap and won't be going any higher I don't think, just want to run more Ram. Maybe push the FSB to 550 if I get bored

Thread: "ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

Thread Tools

Search Thread

Rate This Thread

Display

Leeghoofd what do you think? =)

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions