[Project] :::Flow::: (SNiiPE's V2110) - Resurrected

[Rise]

why is there so much pressure on Ian & this build? he's already shown us so many new things, who really cares what the wires in the back look like? are you people just trying to drive the kid nuts? what is the point of that wiring "challenge" as the critics are putting it? "We want to see how much wiring you can do before you consider taking a entire bottle of tylenol" ...? FFS, does the computer look s3xy? yes. has there been innovative wiring in this build that is already visible? yes. i'm all for braided wiring... when you can see it- but anything past their just has inane written all over it.

i hope you continue push the envelope ian, but don't push yourself over the edge in the process for something no one will ever see........ and thanks for the great build log so far

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Now hang on just a minute. The only reason people are making these comments is because you asked us to. If you hadn't requested us to honestly critique your build, i for one wouldn't have made a single negative comment, because i know i couldn't do anything like it.

As everyone has already said, we reckon it's bloody fantastic and most of us have nowhere near as much talent.

I am not talking about wiring critique, read my words carefully and read other posts carefully mostly everyone (including yourself) did exactly what I was expecting and deserved, rip apart the wiring, some ripped apart the build on account of the wiring.


EDIT: cheers Rise, and thank you - I take it you didnt make it to Noreaster?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

In other news I just ordered this beautiful Deck Keyboard for my system I cant wait to get it!

[Quixylvre]

which operating system(s) does Project Flow boot? XP? Vista? 7? Ubuntu? SuSE? Have you considered a dual or otherwise >single boot arrangement?

[dreamaxx]

So the electrical tape is for safety :O Wouldn't heat shrink probably be better? I'd be afraid the electrical tape would fall off or something, I know how sticky it is (or not sticky).

[Waterlogged]

SNiiPE, I couldn't give a rats arse about the wires on the back side but, if you feel you can make it better back there. . .go for it.

[shazza]

One thing I do not get: the people telling me the build is no good because I showed you the wires on the back panel. I only post these pictures because I have no illusions and I am not a coward in regards to my shortcomings. That has no bearing on the build as a whole because you know what - like I said above you cant see the wires when the case is assembled, none of them at all. Also I must reinforce the above point that the fixes I am doing are for me, not for show, I am only doing it because it is not easy.

Hmmmnnn ... not sure if you took offense to my comments. If so, I apologize, because that is not what was intended. I got off on a bit of a tangent because your question and the responses brought up some interesting points. I've been watching with interest as the level of detail in builds has escalated over the last year or two. I thought it appropriate to make my comments in your work log because you are one of the top guys here who is leading the evolution. What you've accomplished here is far beyond what I, and I imagine many others, could hope to do.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of the photos showing the front and overall case view.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

So the electrical tape is for safety :O Wouldn't heat shrink probably be better? I'd be afraid the electrical tape would fall off or something, I know how sticky it is (or not sticky).

heatshrink wont cover all of the metal on the terminal and the last thing I need is a dead CPU or worse a fire.

which operating system(s) does Project Flow boot? XP? Vista? 7? Ubuntu? SuSE? Have you considered a dual or otherwise >single boot arrangement?

I dont know what OS is going to go on there for final - right now I have win7RC on it

SNiiPE, I couldn't give a rats arse about the wires on the back side but, if you feel you can make it better back there. . .go for it.

Thanks WL thats exactly what I intend to do

i say F#ck the backside. if you want to do more about it then do it but i love the thing the way it is hell.. my back looks quite similar

one thing i noticed though, is the 2 different pump tops:/

the acrylic pump top is a product of assembling the loop on the counter of the kitchen on tuesday (4 days from LAN) and finding the loop is too restrictive to give a good waterfall effect in the res - so Hanlk and James of PPCs kindly and quickly overnighted me a second pump and top, unfortunately the acrylic on was the only in stock at the time.

Hmmmnnn ... not sure if you took offense to my comments. If so, I apologize, because that is not what was intended. I got off on a bit of a tangent because your question and the responses brought up some interesting points. I've been watching with interest as the level of detail in builds has escalated over the last year or two. I thought it appropriate to make my comments in your work log because you are one of the top guys here who is leading the evolution. What you've accomplished here is far beyond what I, and I imagine many others, could hope to do.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of the photos showing the front and overall case view.

hey Sharon, I was not even talking about your post- your comments were thoughtful and about the value thing, true. I wont name names but if you read the posts it is clear who I am talking to.

[Jokester_wild]

Your waterblock setup on the videocards still confuses me!

But I love your build

[Quixylvre]

My personal suggestion would be dual-booting Win7 64-bit and the 64-bit version of OpenSuSE v11.1, using KDE3 as the desktop environment on the latter. SuSE is VERY user-friendly and it'd give you a chance to experiment with Linux. The proprietary ATI driver available for Linux even supports dual-GPU CrossFire.

[Xion X2]

I can see from both sides on this issue.

It's true that no one will see the wiring as long as the side panel's on. And I very much like the "seat cushion" analogy in that no one cares what the foam inside looks like as long as it's layered leather on top of it.

On the other hand..

I also understand the critique about the wiring and what Nils was saying before. What Charles has done w/ his recent build has raised the bar yet again. He's made wiring not an afterthought or a "have to" but a focal point of a build that factors into the overall impression it gives to its viewers. Three-four years ago, hardly anyone watercooled. Two years ago, some watercooled and cosmetics were an afterthought--it was all about performance. A year ago, cosmetics continue to progress and it's all about how "tidy" a build is.. about "hiding" the bad parts (the wiring.) Today, with popularity rising in the PC modding market and sites like MDPCs coming along, cosmetics are just as if not MORE important than performance.

And the evolution continues. So when someone like Charles comes along and wires the back of a case perfectly, rising above and beyond the prior standard which was simply "hiding" it and now makes it even pleasant to look at, that's now the new standard going forward. Not everyone will achieve it, and that's what makes it special. Not making it a new standard, in a way, detracts from the work that Charles was able to accomplish.

I really like the concept of MDPC and, I'll be honest, I hope it's around for a long time and hope to have a build on there one day. I think it's helping to raise the bar of expectations and push PC-modding to places it's never been before both in popularity and quality of work. And when Nils posts, I usually agree with his mindset of the site's mission and purpose.

With all that said, Sniipe, as I've already said on a few occasions, I think you did a hell of a job on that computer, and it's still one of the most impressive builds I've ever seen.

[RoadconeTuning]

weld the backside panel onto the case... then its not a problem

[Kibbler]

One thing I do not get: the people telling me the build is no good because I showed you the wires on the back panel. I only post these pictures because I have no illusions and I am not a coward in regards to my shortcomings. That has no bearing on the build as a whole because you know what - like I said above you cant see the wires when the case is assembled, none of them at all. Also I must reinforce the above point that the fixes I am doing are for me, not for show, I am only doing it because it is not easy.

I hope you weren't referring to my comment as well......but if you are then I do apologize, I absolutely did not mean to give a negative impression or say the build is "no good." Merely my humble opinion from putting myself in your shoes. No way. I do think it looks fantastic.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I hope you weren't referring to my comment as well......but if you are then I do apologize, I absolutely did not mean to give a negative impression or say the build is "no good." Merely my humble opinion from putting myself in your shoes. No way. I do think it looks fantastic.

certainly not you either kibbler - its very clear who I am talking about trust me.

[DragoonXX]

snipe, I completely understand the elec tape on the backside of the mobo, i wasnt critiquing that, sorry if it did come across that way.
I understand the whole "fun" of dealing with enermax PSUs.
front side is incredible, and yes...that is where it matters most, and I also know about how much "fun" a narrow backside of the mobo tray is...my case has (if im lucky) 9mm to work with, and even then I'm having to cut sections out to work with it (it was a case that went through QA in 06 and is actually a fairly old design case with ZERO cable management to begin with)
I'm willing to guess that in hindsight you're kinda wishing you didn't go with that enermax PSU

[Sadasius]

I would just like to say that I think you have done a heck of a job with the vision and the follow through. It simply looks radiant and clean. Very beautiful build.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

snipe, I completely understand the elec tape on the backside of the mobo, i wasnt critiquing that, sorry if it did come across that way.
I understand the whole "fun" of dealing with enermax PSUs.
front side is incredible, and yes...that is where it matters most, and I also know about how much "fun" a narrow backside of the mobo tray is...my case has (if im lucky) 9mm to work with, and even then I'm having to cut sections out to work with it (it was a case that went through QA in 06 and is actually a fairly old design case with ZERO cable management to begin with)
I'm willing to guess that in hindsight you're kinda wishing you didn't go with that enermax PSU

I seriously considered dropping it completely as soon as I took the big stock sleeve off and saw those splitters... but for me it is a fine like between performance and aesthetics - the efficiency and line stability of the rev85+ is head and shoulders above the ST1000 I would have replaced it with and so I stuck with it. I have a fix for the 24-pin by manually modularizing it, you will see it later this week if my package comes in on time.

Edit: Cheers Sadasius

[paul_]

So, what is the story on that FC-3 panel? I have a lot of stuff to do, as I am about to be on my way down to college, but despite that I love that cover, and I am awaiting that contest eagerly

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I will be setting up the contest soon, probably tonight or tomorrow - get your watercooling parts ready people!

[IKIKUINTHENUTZ]

I will be setting up the contest soon, probably tonight or tomorrow - get your watercooling parts ready people!

Get the watercooling parts ready by tonight?

Darnit I'm not ready

[Sadasius]

I will be setting up the contest soon, probably tonight or tomorrow - get your watercooling parts ready people!

Contest?!?

[pingpong1455]

overall snip i think it looks great who cares bought the back u never see it . . .

and contest ?????

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

well the initial entry period will be a few days - but yes guys, the contest I will be having will be a watercooling edition of Fugger's Simon says contest - the "registration" for the contest will not require any watercooling parts but subsequent portions will

and of course the wonderful grand prize will be the 2nd design one-of-a-kind lamptron FC-3 designed by me there will be good runner-up prizes for modders as well

[Sadasius]

Awesome contest idea! Damn it I am at work till 11pm...

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Awesome contest idea! Damn it I am at work till 11pm...

contest rounds will be, at their shortest length, 24hrs long - that way people all around the world can participate, I will ship anywhere

points go for creativity and hilarity of the pictures