[Review] PrimoChill Typhoon III

[millertime359]

OH NOOOs...that is EXACTLY what I thought when I read that. I even did the Tim Allen "grunt" evil laugh lol.

The only thing missing is a D5 shooting across the workshop

Well if this rain stops later today when I get home, I can take my case out and make the couple of holes needed to mount the MCR320. I hope to have mine installed tonight and working till I get my replacement. I had some of the same issue with those hairline cracks on mine.

Brian from PrimoChill and BoxGods have been great about taking care of it though. Very professional and very understanding. Thanks for your help guys.

[HoosTrax]

All this talk of balancing PSI drops in parallel loops has me thinking how I should rearrange my loop when I add in the parts for the GPU loop (MCW60 and RX120).

Pressure Drop @ 1.5GPM

GTZ = 2.4 PSI
MCW60 = 0.6 PSI
RX120 = 0.23 PSI
BI GTS 280 = unknown

The closest numbers I could find were for the BI GTX 360, which is 1.35 PSI @ 1.5GPM. I believe both the GTS 280 and GTX 360 have the same size tubes, not sure how comparable the pressure drops between the two would be.

[millertime359]

Well, it seems its not as big of a deal as martin orginally thought. He was looking at it in the perspective of protecting the pump. Hellcamino seems to think a D5 can't get overspun the way Martin orginally discribed. .

[NaeKuh]

Well, it seems its not as big of a deal as martin orginally thought. He was looking at it in the perspective of protecting the pump. Hellcamino seems to think a D5 can't get overspun the way Martin orginally discribed. .

Well waterlogged us showed us why.

The DDC itself has a control circuitry, so i dont see why they wouldnt put one on the D5 when its techincally a more expensive pump.

Its funny, because people really think the DDC is the better pump, but its only been tweeked better for our application.

The D5 is very over raited because of its size, but if we have enough tweeks to it, i can see it being better then a DDC.

Larger motor.

[Martinm210]

Well waterlogged us showed us why.

The DDC itself has a control circuitry, so i dont see why they wouldnt put one on the D5 when its techincally a more expensive pump.

Its funny, because people really think the DDC is the better pump, but its only been tweeked better for our application.

The D5 is very over raited because of its size, but if we have enough tweeks to it, i can see it being better then a DDC.

Larger motor.

I know the D5 has control circuitry too of some sort. When testing the D5 at higher volts it became apparent.

Somewhere around 13V was the cap on performance. When I used my variable PSU to turn it up to 14+ or 24V, it would initially spin up, but within a few seconds...slow back down to the 13V level.

This seems to act alot like some sort of RPM limiter. Maybe I'll shoot Laing and email and ask the question. I'll report back if I hear anything..

[Martinm210]

FYI, D5 latest spec sheet:

http://www.lainginc.com/pdf/D5Plasti...et_15Sep08.pdf

Motor specs notes:

"Automatic Overload Protection"

Also motor notes includes this comment:

"All ratings are within working limits of the motor."

There is some sort of protection there, but I'll see if I can find out more.

[millertime359]

FYI, D5 latest spec sheet:

http://www.lainginc.com/pdf/D5Plasti...et_15Sep08.pdf

Motor specs notes:

"Automatic Overload Protection"

Also motor notes includes this comment:

"All ratings are within working limits of the motor."

There is some sort of protection there, but I'll see if I can find out more.

Thanks again Martin. That makes me feel better. Mine is bleeding atm. I have it setup rad top loop, MCW60 and GTZ bottom. I will hopefully fire the comp up tomorrow and see how temps look

[GregSG]

Seems like the T3 is back in stocks, as from primochill websiite, shipping out 4 Aug.

Now, I wonder when PPC will get hold of the T3...

[Archmage]

For reference: My friend and I had a D5 running at low-restriction for about 2 years before it failed. It was really just the restriction of 10' of 1/2" tubing and a few inches against gravity.

That said... it still concerns me that it's higher stress on the motor. I'm also thinking/hoping that even CPU/GPU loops on a T3 (like loop #1 at 3.47 gpm) might be enough restriction to avoid problems.

If the T3 pans out then my next setup will either include that, or I'll go all out on an RD-30 with 5/8" - 3/4" tubing and puss out and run it at 15-16v for silence.

[BoxGods]

Seems like the T3 is back in stocks, as from primochill websiite, shipping out 4 Aug.

Now, I wonder when PPC will get hold of the T3...

I know Primo and ModdersMart got 10 each (or so) and that Brian is busting his Tail to get another 500-600 units out as quick as they can. If I had to guess, post and packaging is running at about 250 units per week top speed so "soon" depending where PPC is on the list...and if I know Hank, it's pretty near the top

For reference: My friend and I had a D5 running at low-restriction for about 2 years before it failed. It was really just the restriction of 10' of 1/2" tubing and a few inches against gravity.

That said... it still concerns me that it's higher stress on the motor. I'm also thinking/hoping that even CPU/GPU loops on a T3 (like loop #1 at 3.47 gpm) might be enough restriction to avoid problems.

If the T3 pans out then my next setup will either include that, or I'll go all out on an RD-30 with 5/8" - 3/4" tubing and puss out and run it at 15-16v for silence.

If you look at Skinnee's data, the T3's power draw in dual loop is not a lot more then normal and still within the sweet spot...again because the D5's circuitry limits RPM.

I was going to make a Bong joke about you and your bud's low restriction 10 foot loop...but nah lol.

[BoxGods]

Looks like I was right about Hank lol. Should be stock on it's way to Performance PC's by Monday or Tuesday and there by end of the week "ish". No idea how many though.

[GregSG]

Looks like I was right about Hank lol. Should be stock on it's way to Performance PC's by Monday or Tuesday and there by end of the week "ish". No idea how many though.

Thanks a bunch!

[BoxGods]

Shipped today. Supposed to be there (at Performance) the 13th (Thursday).

They are also the new crystal clear bonding adhesive so no more amber band units will be shipping from now on.

Machined aluminum face plate pictures by Friday (or sooner) I am hoping.

Thou art updated (sorry--three hours of Civ 4: Beyond the sword tonight lol)

[3Z3VH]

Shipped today. Supposed to be there (at Performance) the 13th (Thursday).

They are also the new crystal clear bonding adhesive so no more amber band units will be shipping from now on.

Machined aluminum face plate pictures by Friday (or sooner) I am hoping.

Thou art updated (sorry--three hours of Civ 4: Beyond the sword tonight lol)

These are the model with the top fillport ?

[BoxGods]

These are the model with the top fillport ?

The top fillport model sells at Modders Mart and Primo Chill only. They had 3-4 in stock yesterday when I looked.

[3Z3VH]

The top fillport model sells at Modders Mart and Primo Chill only. They had 3-4 in stock yesterday when I looked.

So the ones that arrive tomorrow are first revision (no fill port) models with clear bonding ?

[BoxGods]

I actually make about 10 or so custom T3's per batch with that top port for PrimoChill at my shop. The T3 is a front and a balk half, and before those are bonded together I take the Front and cut the opening in the top with a laser, cut out a ring from 1/4" acrylic that is then bonded inside (so the plug is countersunk flush with the top of the T3) with the clear adhesive. Then it it is tapped on the tapping machine and I bond them (the front and back) together. We (actually my Wife =) then pressure tests and packages them in bulk for shipment back to Primo. That is why there are only 10 or so per batch for sale at a time.

My guys actually have picked up the slack from time to time when one of the other shops screws up (like the triple pass bonding band issue) and gets the boot. We also have been trying to get out as many as we can between other jobs to get caught up on the back log.

So, to answer your question, ALL T3 post production has been switched over to the new crystal clear bonding adhesive--there are no more of the amber colored bands going out to ANY reseller world wide, and none have for a few weeks now. For right now the ONLY store selling the T3 with a top port is PrimoChill and Modders Mart. The issue is that by percentage so few users need top ports (guys with the big / heavy rigs) that gearing up for larger runs right now with the order backlog just doesn't work. If your overseas and can't order from MM or PC you might contact the estore you normally shop at and ask them to order a few of the Custom top port models when they place their order with Primo Chill and I will do my best to get a few to them to send along. The fact that I am posting at 2:30 AM is a good indicator of my schedule right now =)

I know "Custom Made" sounds a bit arrogant...but can you say hand made when you use injection molded parts, lasers, tapping machines, pressure tanks etc?

[Bojamijams]

I finally looked at this thing and I'm having some trouble believing the test results here. 3.47GPM?

I have a hard time believing that it can do double of what the other two can... unless you're just adding the flow of the two loops together which would be wrong... though since it seems to be conveniently just double the flow of the other two tops...

[damunk]

I finally looked at this thing and I'm having some trouble believing the test results here. 3.47GPM?

I have a hard time believing that it can do double of what the other two can... unless you're just adding the flow of the two loops together which would be wrong... though since it seems to be conveniently just double the flow of the other two tops...

How would adding the flow of the 2 outlets be wrong? Your still only using one pump to run 2 loops.

The reason it puts out twice as much water had something to do with the way the D5 was built or something with a restricted outlet.. I recall seeing it being posted in this topic a few times..

[Bojamijams]

I can achieve the same thing as the T3 does with some Y fittings and it'll do the same thing, just look uglier.. and I guarantee you that my flow isn't gonna be 3.47GPM then.

[millertime359]

I can achieve the same thing as the T3 does with some Y fittings and it'll do the same thing, just look uglier.. and I guarantee you that my flow isn't gonna be 3.47GPM then.

This has been argued all ready. Actually it has been argued over and over again when numbers were released. If you want to do it, then do it and post results.

[Bojamijams]

Why would you want to see the numbers? Obviously they would be slightly lower then a stock D5 would be... everyone here can agree to that without me even doing the test. Y fitting do not increase flow (clearly). So what would it prove?

I'm theorycrafting here obviously, but it looks like two single loops were measured and their GPMs added.. which would be wrong.

If thats not what happened then can someone explain the 2x increase over a standard/custom top? The numbers seem improbable.

[alacheesu]

I finally looked at this thing and I'm having some trouble believing the test results here. 3.47GPM?

I have a hard time believing that it can do double of what the other two can...

I think you're probably reading this wrong. The flow rate is not 3.47GPM through any of the components in the loop. No water block sees 3.47GPM, that's the flow rate through the pump only.

It's not a magical feature of the T3. If you did the same with Y's and a D5 or DDC3.2 (or any other pump) you would have a very high flow rate through the pump as well. And if you did this with Y's then the flow rate going from the pump to the first Y would be exactly the sum of the flow rate in the two parallel loops. So adding flow rate in the loop loops is perfectly valid. If you look at a Y like this:
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then the flow rate in 1 (coming from the pump) must be the sum of the flow rate in 2 plus 3 (going to the parallel loops). It's called the continuity principle and is very well known in physics. If the flow rate of 1 was less than the sum of 2 and 3, it would mean that more water was leaving than entering the Y, which obviously wouldn't work.

[Bojamijams]

I agree about that alachesu but the charts are quite misleading then... it shows it giving double the flow of the other tops.. now the other tops are going to have that flow all throughout the loop.

3.47 will never happen throughout the loop, just at the exit and then immediately split it in half (ie. performance through the loop will be exact same as all other tops)

Except now you're using the warm loop to heat up the cold loop..

so.. what am I missing here? I don't see the point

[alacheesu]

Yes, I agree with you there. Putting those "through the pump" numbers in the same chart is comparing apples to oranges. The flow rates of the parallel loops are the ones that matter, and they're not much better than the series configurations.