"Bits power" (without the space) is censored

[stangracin3]

they obviously are cowards. i go over to understand the problem and i get flamed

yes RR i know you are reading this

[[XC] riptide]

I'll try my best to explain what happened here.

First of all, I am sure some of you know who Joel, known as RealRedRaider, is. Some of you knew he was the member who caused all problems in the Liquid Cooling section months ago. Don't believe me? You can review all his posts to find out for yourself.

He has had several infractions given by a few mods, which resulted in a ban from the Liquid Cooling section, not this entire site. This made him create his own site which is RRTech, a source of water cooling site, to destroy XtremeSystems's Liquid Cooling. That is his plan. That is his revenge on us. He came here and recruited some of the members, who frequent the Liquid Cooling section, over there. We did not mind him bringing some of our people over there. However, he has been bashing XtremeSystems since his ban from here. The team of XtremeSystems decided to permaban him.

Second, the people of RRTech actually don't have the slightest clue as to what happened in between Joel and the people of the Liquid Cooling section of XtremeSystems. Instead, they are being a coward because they are on his site. You know what would happen to them if they don't listen to, or support, Joel. Joel corrupted his people. Hell, the people of his are the one who reported Joel's posts in the Liquid Cooling section. Joel has to maintain his relationship with S!derwinder Comp., B!tspower, and some other companies in order to increase his popularity, that always makes the cowards stay on his site.

A few days ago, Joel created some new title, "Red's Legendary People," encouraging the cowards to get that title. What to do or how can you get that title? Well, you have to make yourself permaban from this site. Recently, two members of RRTech came here and posted :banana::banana::banana::banana:ography photoshopped, with the head of FUGGER and Vapor, images, to get themselves banned hoping to get the title for what they did here.

Finally, we cannot tolerate this. We have decided to eliminate both the cowards of Joel and the companies who support Joel from here, NOT because of their products. We do not want them here anymore.

XtremeSystems is 100% innocent. (No, I don't say this just because I am an administrator. I am neutral. I am telling the truth.) We always try to find what is best for our people here. We do not ban anyone for no reason. Unfortunately, every member who gets banned from this will always do stupid things to this site. I mean, it is obvious.

RRTech, just stay away from XtremeSystems.

Isn't that the truth. If he only knew.

[TheGanG]

!rewopstiB

[stangracin3]

i have a serious headache now from going through the bull over there

[sirheck]

i have a serious headache now from going through the bull over there

Its funny that the most popular thread over there is the one about this
place.

Yeah if he would concentrate on his own site instead of this one
then (maybe) it might actually turn into something.
But i dont think so.

[[XC] riptide]

!rewopstiB

rofl.

[stangracin3]

Its funny that the most popular thread over there is the one about this
place.

Yeah if he would concentrate on his own site instead of this one
then (maybe) it might actually turn into something.
But i dont think so.

qouted to rrr

[ownage]

Its funny that the most popular thread over there is the one about this
place.

Yeah if he would concentrate on his own site instead of this one
then (maybe) it might actually turn into something.
But i dont think so.

That's his problem from the beginning
Ghoul should concentrate on his own...eh....problems.

[zanzabar]

if thats the case why ban people and not just remove all posting and messaging rights

[stangracin3]

thats basically the same as banning them zanz. all they would have is an account. with no privledges.

[faster3200]

So... B*P is censored because they sponsor that site?
So presumably, sidewinders and MM are also censored.
EDIT: I guess not.

[stangracin3]

lol i think he banned me

[shazza]

OK ... this is one of those posts I may later regret, but as an active participant in the LC section, I'll just state my position and move on.

First, I believe censoring the product names is only adding fuel to the fire. BUT, I was not the one who was personally attacked and can certainly understand the frustrations. If I knew of a better way to deal with the situation, I'd offer it up ... but I'm at a loss.

I no longer participate on RRTech; but I felt what they did was not affecting me. Just because I don't understand the mentality doesn't mean they don't have the right to behave as they do. But, earlier today, while reading a thread in the LC section, an extremely offensive photo popped up in a post. Before I could hit report, the post was deleted. That post has made a lot very clear to me, and also helps me understand the position of the folks in charge here. I then logged on to their site, to verify for myself that the shenanigans originated there.

At that point, I took it upon myself to notify the vendors who support that site - whether officially or by allowing their names to be on the banner - that I would not be purchasing from them in the future. This hurts me more than them, as it limits my selections. But, it is a matter of principle. A miniscule impact on their business, but I didn't know what else I could do. I'm NOT calling for a group boycott of any particular vendors, just stating what I've done.

I find this whole situation disappointing and disgusting. There are folks there who have knowledge and it's unfortunate that it's lost to us here at XS. I'd rather not see people banned from Site A because they choose to participate in Site B - some innocent bystanders are sure to get sacked in the process. BUT, once again, I appreciate the fact that folks here needed to take a stand.

There is room on the internet for multiple forums - on just about any given subject. I've been a part of the drama of forum splits before, and no one wins. I also have a hard time seeing how to build a successful new forum when it's built on hate and negativity. I do not understand the mentality of those who lead, or those who follow such activities. I do know that, as much as possible, we need to put this behind us and get on with sharing information with each other about our hobby. I come here to learn, and to get away from the stresses of every day life. A bit of drama can be entertaining ... the recent actions from the folks at RRTech have crossed way over the line. Let's hope people come to their senses and get on with innovation in liquid cooling.

[[XC] riptide]

So... B*P is censored because they sponsor that site?
So presumably, sidewinders and MM are also censored.
EDIT: I guess not.

Nope. It goes deeper than that from what i can tell.

[Movieman]

Ashraf started so I'm going to finish.
Maybe I can fill in a few of the holes.
This deal started last year in the LC section.
RRR and I had no issues at the time.
Once in a while he'd PM me and ask me to move a thread that someone had misplaced and I was happy to help.
Then it started to look like he was VERY strongly pushing XXXXXXXXXXX Computers as a place to buy from but again, no issue at first, but it went on and on and on.
I finally said to him what I was seeing and if that wasn't the case maybe he should back off a little and he did, for a short time.
Then I got wind of a scheme that he was trying to get others into. To promote said company's products on the forum in return for parts,etc.
Then I was sent a word doc that he'd sent to one of the members about this with the plan to call the company Newco with him as CEO and others named as partners and CFO. The others were two companies that both have accounts here. I read this as shilling.
A paid tout whose "job" is to promote companies for profit and then he was banned.
Now he will deny this but I swear to you on my daughters souls that this is God's truth and ask yourself one question:
Why would I lie about this? What gain is there for me here?
The answer is I am not and there is no gain for me at all.
Now over the months he's recruited a few people who get a kick out of the fact that there are no swear filters there and a few that were banned from Xs from their actions so they came to him prepped to hate XS because of the bans.
But that wasn't enough for Joel.
We'd slowed his plans and the hate grew and grew.
His site became full of disgusting anti Xs threads.
It looked like he was spending many hours a day reading Xs just looking for someone to make an uninformed comment so he could tear them apart on his site.
Then apparently that wasn't enough for him.
one of his minions, Worthy, came here a few days ago and posted a disgusting pic of two men in a homosexual act and chopped Fuggers face onto one of them.
It was immediadely deleted and Worthy was banned.
last night at 2am I spent over three hours reading posts at that site and based on those hate posts and with Fuggers approval I banned app 30 members here.
It's escalated since then including at least two more images posted today.
Some think we should just ignore them and they will go away but I disagree. When you have someone like Joel that is this consumed by hate you don't ignore it, you cut it out like the cancer it is.
Now the bottom line is joel and his buddies crossed many legal lines today including enticing others to perform a DDOS attack on XS and I have the screenshots to prove it.
They say don't get mad get even and thats exactly what I plan to do. To get him removed from the net and brought before both criminal and civil courts for his actions.
Lets see if he's still laughing when all of this plays out.
You folks asked and there is the God's truth of why this is taking place.
Thanks for reading.

[sirheck]

OK ... this is one of those posts I may later regret, but as an active participant in the LC section, I'll just state my position and move on.

First, I believe censoring the product names is only adding fuel to the fire. BUT, I was not the one who was personally attacked and can certainly understand the frustrations. If I knew of a better way to deal with the situation, I'd offer it up ... but I'm at a loss.

I no longer participate on RRTech; but I felt what they did was not affecting me. Just because I don't understand the mentality doesn't mean they don't have the right to behave as they do. But, earlier today, while reading a thread in the LC section, an extremely offensive photo popped up in a post. Before I could hit report, the post was deleted. That post has made a lot very clear to me, and also helps me understand the position of the folks in charge here. I then logged on to their site, to verify for myself that the shenanigans originated there.

At that point, I took it upon myself to notify the vendors who support that site - whether officially or by allowing their names to be on the banner - that I would not be purchasing from them in the future. This hurts me more than them, as it limits my selections. But, it is a matter of principle. A miniscule impact on their business, but I didn't know what else I could do. I'm NOT calling for a group boycott of any particular vendors, just stating what I've done.

I find this whole situation disappointing and disgusting. There are folks there who have knowledge and it's unfortunate that it's lost to us here at XS. I'd rather not see people banned from Site A because they choose to participate in Site B - some innocent bystanders are sure to get sacked in the process. BUT, once again, I appreciate the fact that folks here needed to take a stand.

There is room on the internet for multiple forums - on just about any given subject. I've been a part of the drama of forum splits before, and no one wins. I also have a hard time seeing how to build a successful new forum when it's built on hate and negativity. I do not understand the mentality of those who lead, or those who follow such activities. I do know that, as much as possible, we need to put this behind us and get on with sharing information with each other about our hobby. I come here to learn, and to get away from the stresses of every day life. A bit of drama can be entertaining ... the recent actions from the folks at RRTech have crossed way over the line. Let's hope people come to their senses and get on with innovation in liquid cooling.

This is true.
Makes you wonder what said vendors will think of a site they advertise on that uses name calling, photo shopped :banana::banana::banana::banana:ographic pictures and general assinine and childish behavior.

[BeepBeep2]

Admin's, Mod's delete this link if I'm doing something wrong but:
http://www.realredraider.com/vbullet...ead.php?t=9322

That's horrible.

And this:
http://www.realredraider.com/vbullet...3&postcount=16

He's bashing a member and the whole XS community for posting an image which clearly isn't photoshopped by a member as he says. FFS, it says Hexus watermarked on it!

EDIT:
Guys, read read if you want pure comedy over there!
http://www.realredraider.com/vbullet...t=9322&page=17

[alatalo]

Finally, we cannot tolerate this. We have decided to eliminate both the cowards of Joel and the companies who support Joel from here, NOT because of their products. We do not want them here anymore.

I hope that this does not mean that you'll start banning people who just happens to be members of both sites, unless they actually cause any trouble, they should not be banned.

I mean, it's not uncommon for an lc enthusiast to be a member of many sites related to their hobby.

[stangracin3]

his server=fail i keep getting an HTTP 500 error

[Ashraf]

I hope that this does not mean that you'll start banning people who just happens to be members of both sites, unless they actually cause any trouble, they should not be banned.

I mean, it's not uncommon for an lc enthusiast to be a member of many sites related to their hobby.

No, we know who is neutral over there.

[sirheck]

"*snip*"
Gettem guys gettem.

MM FTW!!


edit; Damn meant to quote movieman and i screwed that up

[[XC] riptide]

I hope that this does not mean that you'll start banning people who just happens to be members of both sites, unless they actually cause any trouble, they should not be banned.

I mean, it's not uncommon for an lc enthusiast to be a member of many sites related to their hobby.

Hardly. Theres members here and there that won't be banned. Everyone that got banned got banned for a reason. See shazzas post above. Posting :banana::banana::banana::banana:agraphic photoshopped pics of the owner will get you banned. Saying things like -Fugger sucks - somewhere else and then expect to come back here as a normal member? rofl. If I say -alatalo is a XXXXX- down the road from your house, will you invite me in to your livingroom afterwards? Hardly.

[Movieman]

Admin's, Mod's delete this link if I'm doing something wrong but:
http://www.realredraider.com/vbullet...ead.php?t=9322

That's horrible.

And this:
http://www.realredraider.com/vbullet...3&postcount=16

He's bashing a member and the whole XS community for posting an image which clearly isn't photoshopped by a member as he says. FFS, it says Hexus watermarked on it!

EDIT:
Guys, read read if you want pure comedy over there!
http://www.realredraider.com/vbullet...t=9322&page=17

That is the mild stuff to what I have in screenshots.
I wouldn't show it anywhere except to a judge and then let him decide.

I hope that this does not mean that you'll start banning people who just happens to be members of both sites, unless they actually cause any trouble, they should not be banned.

I mean, it's not uncommon for an lc enthusiast to be a member of many sites related to their hobby.

There's an old expression that "you get judged by the company you keep'
Do you want to go to a place with a positive atmosphere or one that is filled with hate?
I'll leave it for you to decide from there.

[sirheck]

You most certainly wont see me over there.
There are more mature folks at the Hanna Montana forums.

[zanzabar]

thats basically the same as banning them zanz. all they would have is an account. with no privledges.

its not the same it isnt a perma ban so they shouldent met the requirements