Can anyone rate the primochill Typhoon III?

[Bei Fei]

http://www.ncixus.com/products/index...4&promoid=1190

They have them in stock for 55 USD + Shipping. Only 5 left though so hurry before they are gone.

[bluehaze]

Your going to have to loop up with the Y's and see for yourself because I cant think of any other way to explain it. The D5 produces XXX amount of power. To move the same volume of water through a smaller pipe at the same speed requires more power. If more power isn't available, go with a bigger pipe...the "pipe through the T3 is B I G G E R lol.

When they say the Y is the restriction, they mean the section of the Y's through the pump itself.

How do you make "the pipe through the T3 B I G G E R". As you and everyone should agree water cannot be compressed therefore the "pipe through the T3" will always remain the same would it not without physically altering the actual pump itself?

[DarthBeavis]

How do you make "the pipe through the T3 B I G G E R". As you and everyone should agree water cannot be compressed therefore the "pipe through the T3" will always remain the same would it not without physically altering the actual pump itself?

Did you notice he only uses the pump motor and impeller head? That means he designed the pipe?

[bluehaze]

Did you notice he only uses the pump motor and impeller head? That means he designed the pipe?

LOL, Well yes I understand that but then the review is more about which "pipe" aka pump top is better in which case brings us back to square one in order to have a fair comparison we need to have each "pipe" aka pump top compared under the same circumstances. It's no longer about the res or the dual loops at all it is now only the actual top design that can offer any improvement. Which was essentially what i've been trying to say all along!

Edit: Anyways DB your reply kind of got me thinking both sides of the discussion so I can see more clearly now why Boxgod's and skinnee only want to test the T3 against single loops, simply because it all boils down to top vs top it has nothing to do with the actual res so introducing another competitiors res into the comparison adds more variables however I would think under those circumstances to eliminate the competitor res in order to level the playing field you would need to test top vs top with single loops only I think whichever top comes out on top with single loops will also come out on top with dual loops fed from a Y and back into a res with multiple ports.

Anyways whoever woulda thunk a little bit of water could be this confusing? LOL

[hellcamino]

How do you make "the pipe through the T3 B I G G E R". As you and everyone should agree water cannot be compressed therefore the "pipe through the T3" will always remain the same would it not without physically altering the actual pump itself?

Why is this so difficult to understand? The T3 design (nearly) doubles the pump intake size(over double in terms of flow capability) and then uses two 1/2" outlets (more than double in flow capability) giving you 2 loops running at normal D5 capacity. The main reason I think this is so difficult for many to understand is that they are used to thinking the D5 is an inferior pump or something. The D5 just never had a top built for it that was truly optimized for it's design.

[Manicdan]

the first pump like that (was it the D4?) was all about pressure. they redesigned it to go for more flow, but also by a more effective design more pressure is also possible with more flow. or in this case, i think the T3 drops the pressure a little, but the flow was massively improved.

[BoxGods]

How do you make "the pipe through the T3 B I G G E R". As you and everyone should agree water cannot be compressed therefore the "pipe through the T3" will always remain the same would it not without physically altering the actual pump itself?

I DID physically alter the actual pump head itself. That is what I have been telling you ALL along lol. Look at how DEEP the helix is on the T3. It is almost TWICE as deep as the ones on other D5 pumps. You can't alter the width or the diameter of it because those are matched to the impeller. You CAN make them deeper though. Then I made the primary outlet almost TWICE the size. Then I radically changed the inlet so that it can feed the water in at a MUCH more efficient angle because you can't alter the inlets diameter (matched to the impeller again) to feed the now almost double sized water path.

LOL, Well yes I understand that but then the review is more about which "pipe" aka pump top is better in which case brings us back to square one in order to have a fair comparison we need to have each "pipe" aka pump top compared under the same circumstances. It's no longer about the res or the dual loops at all it is now only the actual top design that can offer any improvement. Which was essentially what i've been trying to say all along!

Edit: Anyways DB your reply kind of got me thinking both sides of the discussion so I can see more clearly now why Boxgod's and skinnee only want to test the T3 against single loops, simply because it all boils down to top vs top it has nothing to do with the actual res so introducing another competitiors res into the comparison adds more variables however I would think under those circumstances to eliminate the competitor res in order to level the playing field you would need to test top vs top with single loops only I think whichever top comes out on top with single loops will also come out on top with dual loops fed from a Y and back into a res with multiple ports.

Anyways whoever woulda thunk a little bit of water could be this confusing? LOL

Skinne does not want to do the Y test because he very likely feels like it is a waste of time, and because as a reviewer it is not really fair to alter the other pumps to do what T3 does. Its like doing a head to head car review where one car has a stronger engine so you say well, if the looser had that better engine, it would be bad ass too. Yes, if those other pumps had the things T3 does, they would be better. They don't though lol.

The part your missing is that just adding the Y's to an existing design will NOT alter the internal passage volume (make it bigger). That is what we have been trying to tell you (and others) with the explanations and what Vapor shows with the math. I really think you just need to loop one up and see for yourself. You may still not understand WHY it doesn't work, but at least you will know for sure it doesn't.

Why is this so difficult to understand? The T3 design (nearly) doubles the pump intake size(over double in terms of flow capability) and then uses two 1/2" outlets (more than double in flow capability) giving you 2 loops running at normal D5 capacity. The main reason I think this is so difficult for many to understand is that they are used to thinking the D5 is an inferior pump or something. The D5 just never had a top built for it that was truly optimized for it's design.

Could not have said it better myself. It comes down to efficiency through the pump, and no bypass scheme will beat that.

the first pump like that (was it the D4?) was all about pressure. they redesigned it to go for more flow, but also by a more effective design more pressure is also possible with more flow. or in this case, i think the T3 drops the pressure a little, but the flow was massively improved.

Yes, I had issues in early prototypes because increasing the flow is not to hard to do, but increasing the flow in a way that doesn't kill all the pressure, and that lets the 2 loops work with different flow rates (within reason) IS harder to do. I set the goal of getting the 2 loops to within 10% of each other at the outlets also (and got much closer eventually). If you alter the size of the PEC by say 5% in either direction (bigger or smaller) the performance falls off dramatically.

[BoxGods]

Blue Haze,

I just wanted to make SURE that you don't think I am coming across as condescending as I don't mean to at all. It is NOT that your being thick, it is that it is harder to unlearn old things then it is to learn new things. I suck at explaining too which doesn't help. Vapor grasped the concept in like 5 minutes, and had the math formula done in about a day (and he did it from the back end or reverse engineered it which boggles my mind.). I worked on it for 6 MONTHS and still did not have it entirely correct. He did it in ONE DAY!

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

http://www.ncixus.com/products/index...4&promoid=1190

They have them in stock for 55 USD + Shipping. Only 5 left though so hurry before they are gone.

darn couldnt justify paying 15 dollars to ship to usa will wait for frozencpu.com to have it in stock since I have a saved basket in there with 300 dollars worth of stuff

[HoosTrax]

The one I ordered from JabTech arrived today. It's got the uber-triple-bond (doesn't matter in my case since it's not visible). It would have been nice to see a sheet of paper with some basic instructions. It took me a moment to figure out which ports to use as the inlet and outlet, without being able to see that image posted earlier as a guide.

I didn't care for the look of the clear ghost fittings, so I ended up using Swiftech chrome plugs for the two currently unused ports, plus Bitspower compression fittings + Swiftech o-rings. So far so good, but still testing.

[DarthBeavis]

The one I ordered from JabTech arrived today. It's got the uber-triple-bond (doesn't matter in my case since it's not visible). It would have been nice to see a sheet of paper with some basic instructions. It took me a moment to figure out which ports to use as the inlet and outlet, without being able to see that image posted earlier as a guide.

I didn't care for the look of the clear ghost fittings, so I ended up using Swiftech chrome plugs for the two currently unused ports, plus Bitspower compression fittings + Swiftech o-rings. So far so good, but still testing.

thanks for the tip on the orings!

[millertime359]

The one I ordered from JabTech arrived today. It's got the uber-triple-bond (doesn't matter in my case since it's not visible). It would have been nice to see a sheet of paper with some basic instructions. It took me a moment to figure out which ports to use as the inlet and outlet, without being able to see that image posted earlier as a guide.

I didn't care for the look of the clear ghost fittings, so I ended up using Swiftech chrome plugs for the two currently unused ports, plus Bitspower compression fittings + Swiftech o-rings. So far so good, but still testing.

Yea, I'm hoping the black ones are going to look sweet. Mine should arrive on Monday coming directly from Primo. I can't wait.

[BoxGods]

The one I ordered from JabTech arrived today. It's got the uber-triple-bond (doesn't matter in my case since it's not visible). It would have been nice to see a sheet of paper with some basic instructions. It took me a moment to figure out which ports to use as the inlet and outlet, without being able to see that image posted earlier as a guide.

I didn't care for the look of the clear ghost fittings, so I ended up using Swiftech chrome plugs for the two currently unused ports, plus Bitspower compression fittings + Swiftech o-rings. So far so good, but still testing.

The clear ones paint the best though usually.

[BoxGods]

Reposting from the review thread caus I am LAZY!

I just wanted to also say that I am going to be posting less from here on out as there are now more forums with T3 threads then I could ever hope to keep up with. It is after 3AM and here I am posting. The whole forum thing is hard for (some ) people from my generation, as in "old dude" and it's stressing me out lol.

That reminds me. A Year ago I would not have stepped into the forums here at XS on a dare as this place was just BRUTAL. I don't know what happened but now I like coming here a lot as the atmosphere has shifted from destruction to construction. The Admins or whoever have really turned it around and I would encourage any other product designers or company reps to give XS another try--not a walk in the park by any stretch )and really it shouldnt be) but you will get a fair shake. Here we are at almost page TWENTY of this thread and all my limbs are still attached (and I am only having the nightmares 2-3 nights a week now =)

I have a mod to finish for nVida to display at QuakeCon and then the ION modding contest mod and I am WAY behind. I will check back every few days to see who is winning the latest argument =) and to see if anyone is having the type of problem I can help with. (missing a plug, weird glue, a scratch or w/e).

On the subject of glue. I am sending the guy that was the MOST pissed about the bonding band -- Bei Fei-- test sample #4 of the new clear adhesive to beat on and see if we did better as he obviously has NO problem speaking his mind lol. Sample #5 is going to UTnorris so he can test out the optional Top/bottom port in his heavy weight UFO. PrimoChill is likely going to offer a version of the T3 with these extra port/s at their site only and for a slight premium to cover the extra plugs and labor building them. I will post more details as they become available. It would be great if you guys mention it anytime people post about needing the top ports for an over sized rig or w/e.

Glue test samples 1-3 are in accelerated chemical, UV, and vibration testing and I will know by mid week how they fared. I have already worked out using the new adhesive in post production so if it passes testing it will be in place right away. Possible in time for the next production batch which hits bonding next Friday. You will know as soon as I do.

Almost forgot. For the guys asking about the machined aluminum face plates, yes those will be sold as an add on that can easily be installed by those who already have T3's.

Any serious issues just email me.

[India48]

Excuse me for getting off topic, but I quote from Skinnee's review;

"I have seen the new Radiator line (code named RainMaker) he is working on and I will be stunned if these radiators don't blow your socks off even more than the Typhoon III"

Any more details? I am very much interested in this new radiator that Skinnee speaks of...

[BoxGods]

Excuse me for getting off topic, but I quote from Skinnee's review;

"I have seen the new Radiator line (code named RainMaker) he is working on and I will be stunned if these radiators don't blow your socks off even more than the Typhoon III"

Any more details? I am very much interested in this new radiator that Skinnee speaks of...

Releasing information on T3 too soon caused a few problems. A mistake I will not make again =)

It may be out in 12 weeks or less, and everyone on the design and production team is working hard to get it out by then, but just to be safe I am going to say by the end of the year. Better that everyone is happy because it arrived early then flaming me for it being late.

[BoxGods]

Question for the guys wanting information on the machined aluminum faces for the T3.

Would renders (created from the actual solid works files the face plates are being machined from) help your planning?

[viper2004]

Question for the guys wanting information on the machined aluminum faces for the T3.

Would renders (created from the actual solid works files the face plates are being machined from) help your planning?

It would help my planning as much as seeing how awesome they will look

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

Question for the guys wanting information on the machined aluminum faces for the T3.

Would renders (created from the actual solid works files the face plates are being machined from) help your planning?

either way im buying one due to the fact there is a different faceplate....im shallow that way sorry as long as you have black im down.

[BoxGods]

It would help my planning as much as seeing how awesome they will look

The best builds are the builds with the best planning.

either way im buying one due to the fact there is a different faceplate....im shallow that way sorry as long as you have black im down.

Not shallow. Mobo color is in my top five for board specifications

Rocky aka EvilVision aka Evil98 says he can get started on the renders in the AM so they will likely be done in time to post Sat night.

[GregSG]

Releasing information on T3 too soon caused a few problems. A mistake I will not make again =)

It may be out in 12 weeks or less, and everyone on the design and production team is working hard to get it out by then, but just to be safe I am going to say by the end of the year. Better that everyone is happy because it arrived early then flaming me for it being late.

Are u referring to the T3 bout the "12weeks or less..........................being late" that part?

[millertime359]

Are u referring to the T3 bout the "12weeks or less..........................being late" that part?

Think he was referring to that rad India48 was asking about.

[millertime359]

Question for the guys wanting information on the machined aluminum faces for the T3.

Would renders (created from the actual solid works files the face plates are being machined from) help your planning?

I would love to see some renders of them. Seeing that I'm switching to silver/distilled, it would be nice to have something on the front of it to break up the boring clear water

[BoxGods]

I would love to see some renders of them. Seeing that I'm switching to silver/distilled, it would be nice to have something on the front of it to break up the boring clear water

Rocky says the renders are still baking, will be done in the morning. I will post them then.

[Waterlogged]

Rocky says the renders are still baking, will be done in the morning. I will post them then.

I think Evil's renders have been banned here. . .something about ppl going blind prematurely.