Can anyone rate the primochill Typhoon III?

[coolmiester]

I posted this a while back in DarthBeavis thread T3 fitting test which seemed to go under the radar so thought it might be worth tagging into this thread

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I think you might want to re-check this Beavis. (referring to what DB thought would fit the T3)

I have just tried Bitspower True Silver 7/16in. Compression Fittings for 5/8in. OD Tubing and although they do screw into the T3 the rubber O ring isn't making contact with the actual res as the T3 has quite a large recess and the metal barb makes contact with the res before the O ring has a chance to be compressed.

Their own PrimoChill Ghost Compression Fitting™ have a 1.3mm collar as you can see by the red arrow where as the BP doesn't which allows the O ring to sit much further into the T3.

Don't know if i have a different T3 here but i'm not getting a seal with BP fittings and liquid is scooting out

[Waterlogged]

I posted this a while back in DarthBeavis thread T3 fitting test which seemed to go under the radar so thought it might be worth tagging into this thread

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I think you might want to re-check this Beavis. (referring to what DB thought would fit the T3)

I have just tried Bitspower True Silver 7/16in. Compression Fittings for 5/8in. OD Tubing and although they do screw into the T3 the rubber O ring isn't making contact with the actual res as the T3 has quite a large recess and the metal barb makes contact with the res before the O ring has a chance to be compressed.

Their own PrimoChill Ghost Compression Fitting™ have a 1.3mm collar as you can see by the red arrow where as the BP doesn't which allows the O ring to sit much further into the T3.

Don't know if i have a different T3 here but i'm not getting a seal with BP fittings and liquid is scooting out

cm, in your opinion, would the Bitspower ST transfer adapters properly seal with the T3?

[Utnorris]

Thanks Coolermeister for the pics. This is the same issue I ran into. The BP felt like it was tight, but the o-ring wasn't sealing. Once I replaced them with a larger o-ring all was good. This is one reason I wish companies would not use a recessed hole for fittings. I had a similar issue with the new Swiftech Micro-res due to the recessed hole on the bottom. I do not see the benefit of recessed holes and I am not sure why companies have been doing it lately. It would seem to me that a flat surfaced tapped for fittings would be easier to do and better for sealing.

[Barso]

Same here, I used the barbs I was using with my XSPC reservoir and they leaked, only the supplied plastic compression fittings would seal properly.
Don't mind though just glad that they were in the box and worked.

[millertime359]

cm, in your opinion, would the Bitspower ST transfer adapters properly seal with the T3?

Only problem with that is those adapters are to go from NSPM to G1/4 and the T3 is G1/4 already. Also they don't have that lip the ghost fittings do. The o-ring is flush with the collar.


It seems you would just be better off getting the thicker o-rings like Utnorris did.

[Waterlogged]

Only problem with that is those adapters are to go from NSPM to G1/4 and the T3 is G1/4 already. Also they don't have that lip the ghost fittings do. The o-ring is flush with the collar.

The difference between NPSM and BSPP is a minor change of thread O.D. and 1 TPI. Since all the threads on everything we use are so short (with the exception of the plastic Swifty barbs), it makes no difference as each will thread into the other. . .without problems. The difference in diameter is inconsequential.

As far as the lip on the GF, I think the o-ring on the BP should seal on that area in the T3 when installed.

[Barso]

I have been speaking with the retailer that suppled my T3 and pump and they have stated that primochill supplied the pump that turned out to be a D4 basic and not the D5 as advertised.
He will be speaking to primochill tomorrow.
Seems Primochill have been a little cheeky and getting rid of old D4 stock.
TUT,TUT primochill.

[millertime359]

The difference between NPSM and BSPP is a minor change of thread O.D. and 1 TPI. Since all the threads on everything we use are so short (with the exception of the plastic Swifty barbs), it makes no difference as each will thread into the other. . .without problems. The difference in diameter is inconsequential.

As far as the lip on the GF, I think the o-ring on the BP should seal on that area in the T3 when installed.

Yea i understand that, but there still is a difference. I could feel it threading into a Swiftech rad. I had no leaks, but still put those adapters in.

The only point I was making is why go and spend 3 dollars a fitting when all your really trying to get is the thick o-ring on those adapters. It would just make more sense to go and buy that o-ring and mount it on the compression fitting.

Another thought though, with that collar CM pointed out, how well do those ghost fittings seal on a non recessed hole? Does the whole fitting stick out by that 1.3 mm?

[nypunkgeek]

Another thought though, with that collar CM pointed out, how well do those ghost fittings seal on a non recessed hole? Does the whole fitting stick out by that 1.3 mm?

Mine are flush.

[BoxGods]

The o-ring size is #9, thickness is 3/32". Yeah if I did have so much already invested in fittings, specifically QD's, I would have switched tubing out and used the fittings that came with it. Speaking of the enclosed fittings, I do find it interesting that if you buy the res from Jab-tech you get a total of 8 fittings included, but if you buy it from Frozencpu or Primochill directly they only give you 4 fittings, at least that is what their website states.

As far as the bleeding goes, I was trying to emphasize that it was hard due to the size of my case and most will not have this issue. My GPU water blocks alone weigh about 6lbs each, so my case with components is much heavier than the usual case. For most folks, bleeding should not be an issue.

And again, I want state that I am impressed with the res and the performance and am happy with the results. For me, performance trumps the minor issues I ran into, but I did want to mention them, even though they were minor.

Not sure what Jab sells for fittings with the T3. The retail boxed T3 (the ones I have seen) come with 4 each of the 1/2" ID and the 3/8" ID for a total of 8 fittings.

i hope this dosnt sound dumb, but can someone (skinnny) test the flowrate of the pump in 3 configurations:

1, with absolutely nothing attached, the pump by itself (and the flowrate meter)
2, with the T3, both loops combined, measuring total of both loops
3, with a Y on the inlet and outlet of the pump, measuring between the two Ys to mimic a parallel setup

whats shocking is how simple this is, its really nothing more than a pump with 2 inlets and outlets, and that we havnt seen pumps sold built to handle a parallel system. which btw is proven to really make a difference. i plan to get one for just a CPU, but i will still be able to run the cpu alone, and the radiators on the second loop. this kind of technology can make almost any setup work better for cheaper, and look better too. also it solves another issue for me, my custom case (which i still havnt taken pictures of) is 3 stacked towers, and theres only 6" of room where the pump sits, but with the way they built the D5, its really not a comfortable fit for the pump unless i lay it on its side. so it will help with fitting issues too.

once the tape issue is concluded, ill get one, and i promise to take photos of my case. (the worst part is i dont have a camera, but my sis needed me to fix hers, so its fixed and sitting right here in front of me, and im still too lazy to take it out, lol)

Uncorked, or nothing attached, the T3 puts out over 5GPM in dual loop.

The Y question has been covered in depth, go back a few pages in this thread (sorry but I don't want to go through it all over again lol)

The amber bonding band thing will not change. I posted about that also a page or two back.









That's how the band looks.

Thanks Coolermeister for the pics. This is the same issue I ran into. The BP felt like it was tight, but the o-ring wasn't sealing. Once I replaced them with a larger o-ring all was good. This is one reason I wish companies would not use a recessed hole for fittings. I had a similar issue with the new Swiftech Micro-res due to the recessed hole on the bottom. I do not see the benefit of recessed holes and I am not sure why companies have been doing it lately. It would seem to me that a flat surfaced tapped for fittings would be easier to do and better for sealing.

That recess works to keep the O ring from blowing out when...call it overzealous or inexperienced users over tighten fittings. Of course you already knew that, but the number one tech issue companies get is a new user who has a leaking fitting. The alternative is a recess in the fitting to hold the O ring. The downside here is that when that same novice user over tightens the fitting it mars the surface of the block or reservoir. It also makes for a bulkier fitting. I like for the fittings to be as small and unobtrusive as I can make them--that's why mine are called Ghosts...

The reality is that if I had designed it flat for the recessed type fittings other users would be posting that they wished the T3 had the recess. If we had made the T3 in acetal, users would be posting that they wished it was acrylic, or polycarbonate. The same sort of thinking applies to the other two sizes of tubing...do we REALLY need 4 sizes of tubing? Obviously we really don't...and although as a modder I will never vote against having a choice, the reality of selling the T3 (or any other part) with 4 sizes of fittings is that EVERYONE who bought one would be paying for three sets of fittings they didn't use.

[Primo_Brian]

I have been speaking with the retailer that suppled my T3 and pump and they have stated that primochill supplied the pump that turned out to be a D4 basic and not the D5 as advertised.
He will be speaking to primochill tomorrow.
Seems Primochill have been a little cheeky and getting rid of old D4 stock.
TUT,TUT primochill.

Barso,
Thank you for posting some information about this. Are you able to PM me some pics of the packaging you received with your order? Did you get just the motor or the entire pump with the stand, and so on? Please include as much info as possible so we can get to the bottom of this.

Thank you for your support in getting this resolved.

As far as being cheeky, not sure how to respond to this.

[Utnorris]

I get you Boxgods and what you say makes perfect sense, you can never satisfy everyone and if you had gone the other way there would be issues there, got it. I am only explaining where I am coming from and recessed fitting do not make sense to me, but that is just my opinion.

As far as the amount of fittings that come in the box, if you look on bothe Frozencpu and Primochill's store sites, they give you the option of either or not both. This is why I stated it seemed odd that Jab-tech would have a different package. Frozen looks to have updated their site already, but here is Primochill's listing:

http://www.primochill.com/typhoon-ii...ystem-pec.html

[Utnorris]

By the way Boxgods and Primo Brian, this is the white stripe I was talking about:



It's not that bad, but it is noticable. I will be calling/emailing Primo on Tuesday (my next day off) to see what can be done, but it does look like this is how the retail ones will be or is mine like Bei Fei's and just overdone?

[BoxGods]

By the way Boxgods and Primo Brian, this is the white stripe I was talking about:



It's not that bad, but it is noticable. I will be calling/emailing Primo on Tuesday (my next day off) to see what can be done, but it does look like this is how the retail ones will be or is mine like Bei Fei's and just overdone?

Yup. WOW...looks like at LEAST 2 or 3 passes through bonding...

[Barso]

Thanks Brian but I can't post any pics.
The pump did indeed come with the stand in a box but I have been posting in their forums and it seems everyone has this problem.
The forum moderator has come to the forums and states that they don'd hold any D4's in stock and never have.
It seems they have been supplied by primochill.
I will PM you with their details.

[Utnorris]

Or, they are trying to pull something over on the consumer and blame Primochill. Give Brian a chance to look into it before making any conclusions. This is why I asked after I posted my pic whether it was overdone with bonding or the norm. I didn't want to give the wrong impression to anyone from a cosmetic standpoint if mine was not the norm. Things happen sometimes and I like to give folks time to research and respond before coming out with a conclusion either way. This way i am not apologizing for my remarks because I stuck my foot in my mouth. I already do that enough, just ask my wife.

[Barso]

I would be happy with your bonding,the more the better!

[BoxGods]

Or, they are trying to pull something over on the consumer and blame Primochill. Give Brian a chance to look into it before making any conclusions. This is why I asked after I posted my pic whether it was overdone with bonding or the norm. I didn't want to give the wrong impression to anyone from a cosmetic standpoint if mine was not the norm. Things happen sometimes and I like to give folks time to research and respond before coming out with a conclusion either way. This way i am not apologizing for my remarks because I stuck my foot in my mouth. I already do that enough, just ask my wife.

I learned the same lesson at 22. Was late for a job interview and as I was getting into the elevator this slightly overweight lady flat tired me (that's where a person steps on the back of your foot and pops your shoe off) I was all stressed so I wheeled around and said something like "Holy Cow Lady how dammed hard is it to walk correctly". Thirty minutes later when I was taken in for my interview...guess who was behind the desk? Yup.

I mentioned your D4 issue to Brian and he said they sent D5's. They haven't had D4's in inventory for years. That even if they had D4's it would not only be stupid to have sent them but pointless they could just put them on any of their stores to sell them...

Seems simple to me to resolve where it came from as there are numbers on all the Liang pumps from Swift. Post a picture of the number. Different batches go to different distributors. Likely the EU and US batches will be different.

If you can't post a picture for w/e reason, then your reseller should be able too from the remaining inventory--in a timely fashion too of course.

[Barso]

I never neant to offend anyone BOXGODS and I hope that nobody is offended.
I was also posting in the retailers forum when I saw your post there.
I have posted my part and serial number there and it is the same part number as the other poster photo.
I hope the retailer can sort this but to be honest I have asked for a refund so that I may purchase a D5 vario and T3 RES elsewhere.
It's a great res and you should be congratulated on designing what is an amazing addition to the world of watercooling.
Thanks.

[karbonkid]

I have a similar issue on an Antec Titan. Is the res meant to protrude a few mm over the drive bays? Personally I think it looks quite nice :





Here's how I'm mounting it, I had to drill the holes out to 4mm in the rails to get the screws to fit...

[BoxGods]

I never neant to offend anyone BOXGODS and I hope that nobody is offended.
I was also posting in the retailers forum when I saw your post there.
I have posted my part and serial number there and it is the same part number as the other poster photo.
I hope the retailer can sort this but to be honest I have asked for a refund so that I may purchase a D5 vario and T3 RES elsewhere.
It's a great res and you should be congratulated on designing what is an amazing addition to the world of watercooling.
Thanks.

No worries. I was not offended in the least. I don't doubt for a second that you did in fact get the wrong pump. I admit to being fond of my country however and I did take umbrage to other posters making the "Guilt by American" like remarks. Again I know that was not you.

I have a similar issue on an Antec Titan. Is the res meant to protrude a few mm over the drive bays? Personally I think it looks quite nice :





Here's how I'm mounting it, I had to drill the holes out to 4mm in the rails to get the screws to fit...

Not intended no. I do agree that it looks kind of cool however. Then again I am a case modder =)

Looks like you are too.

I honestly do not know why there is an issue with the fit in your case, or the Tj07 as the Typhoon III seems to be fitting without issue in most every other case and is 100% in conformance with the ATX spec. I have a Tj07 on its way (great excuse to get one =) and will sort out whats going on.

[millertime359]

I know that someone had posted they installed this is a Cosmos S. Can someone confirm if the CoolerMaster retention system holds this, or do you have to remove it and use the screws?

[jab-tech]

I have been speaking with the retailer that suppled my T3 and pump and they have stated that primochill supplied the pump that turned out to be a D4 basic and not the D5 as advertised.
He will be speaking to primochill tomorrow.
Seems Primochill have been a little cheeky and getting rid of old D4 stock.
TUT,TUT primochill.

I received stock of Swiftech MCP 655-B Two weeks ago and on the back they have stamped (lightly) D4 Basic ... From what I remember though the D4 only came in blue and did not have an RPM wire.. So if yours is Black and has an RPM wire you have an MCP 655-B which is the same as a D5 Basic.
I am making an assumption that Laing had a bunch of D4 housings left and used them, I would also make the assumption that any store that recently purchased MCP 655-B will have D4 Basic stamped on the back.

[BoxGods]

I know that someone had posted they installed this is a Cosmos S. Can someone confirm if the CoolerMaster retention system holds this, or do you have to remove it and use the screws?

I recall seeing at least one also...can't remember where though.

I received stock of Swiftech MCP 655-B Two weeks ago and on the back they have stamped (lightly) D4 Basic ... From what I remember though the D4 only came in blue and did not have an RPM wire.. So if yours is Black and has an RPM wire you have an MCP 655-B which is the same as a D5 Basic.
I am making an assumption that Laing had a bunch of D4 housings left and used them, I would also make the assumption that any store that recently purchased MCP 655-B will have D4 Basic stamped on the back.

And that ladies and gentleman is as close to an expert opinion as your going to get outside of Laing itself (maybe even including Laing lol).

Thank you.

[DarthBeavis]

Brian, thanks for coming to XS.


I guess I will not comment about the soft tubing in Autopsy lol referring to when I stuck my foot in my mouth. Funny thing is that tubing is still in Autopsy and has been raved about . . . .I wonder if they tells you something?

your products have come a long way. Keep up the good work! I personally would love to see your stuff carried by ALL of my preferred resellers hint hint. Look at my Skulltrail clinic server and tell me the products there so not naturally fit together.