Asus P6T Deluxe Discussion Thread

[Fir3^StorM]

^ Yeah but that was the question, where do I cancel it. I think I found it, something like 'Marvell Boot ROM', right?

[Snow Crash]

@WadKiller: vCore and vTT (qpi) are somewhat related ... try bumping the vCore a notch or two.
It also depends on how you have your qpi frequency set ... if you were trying out higher frequencies it does NOT automactically adjust to the "lowest" multiplier, it stays on the postion of the multiplier in the list ... weird but true.

[funkypunk1985]

so here some news.

the bios 0007 works with my xeon3520.

i lost two options => uncore mhz & qpi rate

-.- so its a bug into the bios 0006.

[unclewebb]

funkypunk1985: Can you post a screen shot of CPU-Z showing your bios version while you are testing at full load? Use the same MHz, temperature and core voltage that you were using before when testing with 0006 where it was clearly showing turbo throttling on the previous page. Open two instances of CPU-Z so one version shows the MHz and the second instance shows the motherboard and bios.

With your new info I will contact JJ at Asus and ask him what happened? It would be nice to have both the uncore and qpi options as well as no turbo throttling in one bios version.

[funkypunk1985]

hey,
tomorrow i will test the bios 0006 and 0007 with the same settings and voltages. today its tolate.

[JoBu]

so here some news.

the bios 0007 works with my xeon3520.

i lost two options => uncore mhz & qpi rate

-.- so its a bug into the bios 0006.

So what you are saying is that the 0007 BIOS got rid of the turbo throtteling but also made you loos the QPI & Uncore settings?

[unclewebb]

Thanks funkypunk1985. We look forward to your tests. I just hope Asus did not put turbo throttling back into bios 0006 for the Xeon CPUs to try to keep the corporate users safe.
There is no turbo throttling when using bios 0006 and a Core i7 920.

[funkypunk1985]

So what you are saying is that the 0007 BIOS got rid of the turbo throtteling but also made you loos the QPI & Uncore settings?

yes, thats what i meant

[Praz]

i lost two options => uncore mhz & qpi rate

0007 is also memory multiplier locked. Don't seem like there are too many people using 2000+ capable memory anyway though.

[Wadkiller]

I Left my vcore @ 1.2125 & changed CPU PLL from 1.8 to 1.86, IOH from 1.1 to 1.2 & QPI/dram from 1.35 to 1.25 & i've been running Prime small fft's for the last 5 hours, will leave it till i get up in the morning. So far so good

[Buggalugs]

^ Yeah but that was the question, where do I cancel it. I think I found it, something like 'Marvell Boot ROM', right?

go to Advanced/onboard devices configuration/jmicron sata-pata controller and disable it.

[funkypunk1985]

hey guys,

i tested the 0007 & 0006 with the same settings...

maybe their is a genrell bug (on 0006 and 0007).

at first i tested 0007, all was fine ^^(only 5min prime)

then i tested 0006, it works realy fine for 4 minutes 8k fftinplace, then was a reduce to multi 18 on the first core for lesser then one second.
3minutes later was the same, multi reduced to 18,782 for < 1 second

i am still testing the 0006 -.-



edit:
i have a question, i need for 4,2 ghz 1,3v for my vcore, for 4,3 or 4,4 i need MORE then 1,4 O_o

I think the asus p6t deluxe (at least my p6t) has a lot of problem with a bclk over 200

with a multi 21 and bclk 200 i can run like 30minutes qpi 1,30, pll 1,8 -.-, but i cant run a bclk 204+ 2min on prime^^

[unclewebb]

Programs that monitor a lot of motherboard voltages can interfere with the results from i7 Turbo. I'm not sure why but if you have any drops in your multiplier then turn off programs like HW Monitor and Everest.

Make sure your Power Options -> Minimum processor state is set to 100% and C1E is turned off too. Both of these are designed to drop your multi at idle or when lightly loaded. It could be something like that screwing up the accuracy of your results.

Run a log file in i7 Turbo so you can go back and review things. It's a lot easier to run a log file through Excel than to have to stare at the screen. A single drop of the multi for one second is not important. If you have Turbo throttling issues there will be a lot more than one second of data where the multi is significantly below the 21 that it should be at.

[funkypunk1985]

ok thats the point, only a monitoring bug (not the settings: c1e, speedstep,turbo is disabled)

i got the same error with 4,2ghz on 1,3Vcore ( i am sure 1,3v cant over the intel tdp)
it was monitoring with cpuz, realtemp, prime95 + (heavy settings: 8k ffts inplace) + turboV8.

so its realy a softwarebug -.-

i am running my xeon 3520 @4,2ghz because i cant run stable a bclk with more then 200 mhz
the cpu should be able to run @4,5ghz :/ <1,4v^^ its a little bit hatefull, i got a realy bad bad bad p6t ...^^
4,5ghz is not realy much faster then 4,2, but its look realy sexy ^^

PS: but the first try as i flashed the 0006 i have had a realy throtteling (reduced over minuts), their was a wrong setting in the bios^^ (but c1e, speedstep, turbo was disabled^^)... maybe because i loaded the old oc profil.....

[unclewebb]

On an Asus board if you have a 920 or W3520 and select a 21X multiplier in the bios then you automatically have the Turbo feature of the processor enabled. Some boards also force you to have EIST enabled as well when you are using Turbo mode. Your screen shot on the previous page that showed turbo throttling shows that EIST is enabled.

I don't yet know if the occasional drop out reported by i7 Turbo is "monitoring error" or it's showing something that really is going on. I've seen some boards (Gigabyte) with HW Monitor and Everest running and the multi in i7 Turbo is 100% stable. I thought that maybe some on board monitoring chips for voltages might be causing an intermittent slow down but.......

[JoBu]

Okey, I'm still not quite with you here.. :/
Are you saying that both 0006 and 0007 gets rid of the throtteling problem though the monitoring software still indicates that the multi is occasionally dropping. At the same time 0006 lets you set QPI ratio using W3520 CPU but 0007 does not?
Thanks for helping me out here

[oradd]

Hi guys,

sorry for not being in topic.

I have recently upgraded to a i7 920 D0, running at 4GHZ with air, not to xtreme OC due to I dont like high fan noise.

Today I discover that even if I have set my bios to run at 21x190 it shows in cpu-z running at 22x189 = 4158
Is this normal?

http://sv.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28kreht&s=3

Br
/Richard

[devsk]

Hi guys,

sorry for not being in topic.

I have recently upgraded to a i7 920 D0, running at 4GHZ with air, not to xtreme OC due to I dont like high fan noise.

Today I discover that even if I have set my bios to run at 21x190 it shows in cpu-z running at 22x189 = 4158
Is this normal?

http://sv.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28kreht&s=3

Br
/Richard

You lucky bugger!... People are dying to get 22x multi and you got it without even doing anything. Its very rare to see 22x in CPUZ screenshot with 4 cores enabled because typically a screenshot program puts enough load on the system for 22x to disappear.

I see you have HT OFF. Can you run i7 Turbo tool to see if all the 4 cores are running at 22x? That would be a miracle!

[oradd]

Im not sure cpu-z is showing correct, real temp is only showing 4K at 21x

looks like cpu-z only shows 22x when not stressing cpu to much.

the screen shot was taken when only i-tunes & utorrent was running, when running IntelBurnTest both cpu-z and realtemp was showing 21x.

How do you see what multiplier in TurboV ?

Br
/Richard

[unclewebb]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/3/1794507/Turbo.zip

oradd: This download includes a couple of different tools. Try running i7 Turbo V8 so you can see what multiplier each core is reporting. It's a different program than TurboV.

With 4 cores enabled in the bios, a 22X multiplier is certainly possible when lightly loaded but usually the 22X doesn't stick for very long. A lot of what you see is reporting error by CPU-Z.

Post a screen shot of i7 Turbo V8 beside CPU-Z when lightly loaded so we can have a look.

Can you run i7 Turbo tool to see if all the 4 cores are running at 22x? That would be a miracle!

That would be beyond a miracle into the impossible. The only way you can get a 22X multiplier from a Core i7 920 is if 3 cores are disabled in the bios or 3 cores are inactive and sitting in either the C3 or C6 sleep state. It's impossible to have 4 cores active at 22X for beyond a couple of microseconds. As soon as two or more cores are awake and active, the multi for all cores automatically drops down to 21X.

funkypunk1985: Hopefully you can do some more testing with bios 0006 this weekend. Post a chunk of the i7 Turbo log file if you see some suspicious numbers. I'll contact Asus if you are having a problem with turbo throttling still so they can get this fixed for the Xeon chips.

[oradd]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/3/1794507/Turbo.zip

oradd: This download includes a couple of different tools. Try running i7 Turbo V8 so you can see what multiplier each core is reporting. It's a different program than TurboV.

With 4 cores enabled in the bios, a 22X multiplier is certainly possible when lightly loaded but usually the 22X doesn't stick for very long. A lot of what you see is reporting error by CPU-Z.

Post a screen shot of i7 Turbo V8 beside CPU-Z when lightly loaded so we can have a look.



That would be beyond a miracle into the impossible. The only way you can get a 22X multiplier from a Core i7 920 is if 3 cores are disabled in the bios or 3 cores are inactive and sitting in either the C3 or C6 sleep state. It's impossible to have 4 cores active at 22X for beyond a couple of microseconds. As soon as two or more cores are awake and active, the multi for all cores automatically drops down to 21X.

looks like you are right!

cpu-z shows 22x when Turbo V8 shows max 21x

http://sv.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2cz6crr&s=3

I thought this was crazy, but I had to ask
thanks guys for your input!

Br
/Richard

[unclewebb]

The other thing that controls what multiplier you get at idle in Vista or Windows 7 is the Power Options -> Minimum processor state. In XP you can play around with the Power Options -> Power Schemes. Right now at idle your Calculated Multiplier is dancing around mostly between 14 and 16 because your hardware and software settings are not in agreement. One wants to set your multiplier at 12 and the other wants to set it at 21 so you end up with a dancing multiplier somewhere between these two numbers. When you set Windows up correctly, you should be able to get your Calculated Multiplier to be either steady at 12 or steady at 21.

[icecpu]

Guys, I have read about multiplier throttling issues going down to 20x, my question is :
will I have this issue if my setting will be 21 mutiplier 195 bclk, 4.09GHz, 1.25v , I'm using bios 0504

[unclewebb]

icecpu: Probably not but there are no guarantees. If you are able to run that MHz while keeping your core voltage down at 1.25 volts, you'll probably be OK. The other factor though is core temperature. Even if your voltage is OK, if your core temperature gets up somewhere around 80C, you might have problems with turbo throttling. The only way to know for sure is to do your own testing. If you do have a problem, it is simple enough to cross flash your board to bios 0006 and problem solved so no need to worry about this issue.

[icecpu]

I just tested 21 x 195, vcore 1.25v
I ran linX 20 passes no problemat all, and I kept eyes on the multiplier during the entire 15 mins, it never went down . Temp was 85 on the max core.

I will run prime95 for 8 hrs later on, so we need to keep eyes on the multiplier all the time to see if it went down ??? Is it go down and stay at 20x or is it just jumping around. I can't stay to see during the entire test.