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Yes, I've been playing some games on it. Take note that Arma II does run with just one CPU installed with this amount of RAM, so I don't think that's the culprit.Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
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As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
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Rule 2A:
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
That sounds like a BI-studios game, allright
That's another reason I'm a little weary of CPUs that don't have cores by the power of two, quite a few programs do not seem to utilize the cores appropriately when there aren't 2/4/8/16 etc cores.
Arma II uses incredibly small amounts of ram, at least the demo version. I've never seen it use more than 1GB on a 4 GB 64-bit Win 7 system, actually I can't remember seeing it utilize much more than 800 MB. With only 2 GB he'll probably experience a lot of page file usage in other games, though. He did say he'd get the ram addressed () in a few days.
Obsolescence be thy name
I've got 4GB for now, Frodin. One 2GB dimm (per CPU). The extra RAM will provide some extra capacity but also allow me to go dual channel.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
Ah, sorry, must have overlooked that. Still, it'll be interesting to see whether dual channel makes much of a difference, especially with those hexa-cores.
Obsolescence be thy name
have u seen this particle?PARTICLE! I have news from the PhenomMsrTweaker thread!
Give that a try and let us know if the service allows you to change core VID
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gpu: rx580 1366/2000
cpu: ryzen 1700 @ 3.8ghz
ram: 32 gb gskill 2400 @ 3000
psu: coarsair 1kw
hdd's: samsung 500gb ssd 1tb & 3tb hdd
Yes, it's definitely a lead. I'm not sure if it'll be able to exceed MaxVID (I don't know where the input rejection comes in--OS layer, power management layer, or lower [maybe even physical?]). I also still have to sort the problem of the program outright crashing on startup.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
It seems you need to send kink a PM about his program there. I'm sure he would appreciate your input as you're our native Istanbul owner. I think you can get some productive work done with him.
I'm giddy just thinking about what you'll be able to accomplish when you get that program up and running for you. Also, Kink suggests making the modification directly in the registry. You should see PhenomMsrTweaker as a service when you type "services.msc" in the run menu. Disregard the GUI and head straight for the registry like a pro
Last edited by Mechromancer; 07-14-2009 at 10:18 AM.
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stuff still crashing on startup? man what's with that? chipset drivers? chipset is cool? idk why stuff crashes for u so much.
mobo: strix b350f
gpu: rx580 1366/2000
cpu: ryzen 1700 @ 3.8ghz
ram: 32 gb gskill 2400 @ 3000
psu: coarsair 1kw
hdd's: samsung 500gb ssd 1tb & 3tb hdd
have you thought about quad socket for a new mobo? they support a whopping 128 gigs of memory
128 GB of fast ECC/REG memory will cost more than the mobo.
Also the cpu's will easily fetch about 2000 each.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819105255
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...e=&srchInDesc=
im not saying buy 128 gigs but it would be totally hardcore if he bought $2k worth of ram! non techies would think its the fastest computer ever
That cpu is a 2p, not 4/8p
The 4/8p ones are usually the 8xxx series ones. They're easily over 1000 each.
Last edited by N19h7m4r3; 07-14-2009 at 11:18 AM.
Opteron 2435 + Particles HTT overclock and you'd have 3 Gig Istanbulthat would be sweet!
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Thanks to justapost's help, my situation has become clear:
MaxVID is controlled by a read-only register: MSRC001_0071
The processor itself references any change to the current VID register against that one and the following takes place before signaling a change to the voltage controller:
If MaxVID < NewVID Then CurrentVID = MaxVID
ElseIf MinVID > NewVID Then CurrentVID = MinVID
Else CurrentVID = NewVID
Only processors with a MaxVID/MinVID of 00h are allowed to set to anything [except for 0V].
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Anyone want to help me figure out a hardware mod? Perhaps it could be as simple as a pencil trick?
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
i think it will be possibleOpteron 2435 + Particles HTT overclock and you'd have 3 Gig Istanbul
if it had that unlocking multipliers, it would be easy.. I could bet on 3,5ghz
but otherwise 3ghz sounds realistic
Dang that sucks on the voltage being a processor hardware limitation. Hopefully someone on here will know of a mod you can do to the CPU or board.
Rig 1:
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Rig 2:
Asus Sabertooth 990FX
AMD FX-8350 @ 5.6GHz
16GB of Mushkin DDR-1866 RAM (8-9-8-26-1T)
AMD 6950 with 6970 bios flash
Yamakasi Catleap 2B overclocked to 120Hz refresh rate
Audio-GD FUN DAC unit w/ AD797BRZ opamps
Sennheiser PC350 headset w/ hero mod
That is absolutely horrible! I suppose PhenomMsrTweaker WON'T be the solution to your problem anytime soon. Goodluck with the volt modding.
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Guess it makes sense that the voltage would be locked on server chips.
I'm sure they don't want some shady companies overclocking and selling rack systems at a higher price that may be prone to failure....
Good luck with the hardware mod, looks like the only option for now.
Just curious, did you ask justapost about the addy of the NBvid?
It's probably locked too, but it wouldn't hurt to try...
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He pointed me to the right documentation, but I looked it up myself. As such, I'll see what I can find since I know where to look now.
It appears as if the NB is subject to the same MaxVID and MinVID as the processor itself. At least this means I should be able to jack the NB to 1.225V if nothing else. It defaults to 1.1x. Who knows if that's what was actually becoming unstable instead of my cores. They clock synchronously on my system. CPU Clock = NB Clock
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
There are a lot of Phenoms that dont like NB higher than 2.4-2.6 range, so it easily could be the problem on these 6 core chips.
Rig 1:
ASUS P8Z77-V
Intel i5 3570K @ 4.75GHz
16GB of Team Xtreme DDR-2666 RAM (11-13-13-35-2T)
Nvidia GTX 670 4GB SLI
Rig 2:
Asus Sabertooth 990FX
AMD FX-8350 @ 5.6GHz
16GB of Mushkin DDR-1866 RAM (8-9-8-26-1T)
AMD 6950 with 6970 bios flash
Yamakasi Catleap 2B overclocked to 120Hz refresh rate
Audio-GD FUN DAC unit w/ AD797BRZ opamps
Sennheiser PC350 headset w/ hero mod
Also you can use a lower NB multi, check the BKDG there are pci registers for NB and HT speed whom you can change with bar edit. Dave did that 07 on an dual barcelona board with an broadcom chipset.He pointed me to the right documentation, but I looked it up myself. As such, I'll see what I can find since I know where to look now.
It appears as if the NB is subject to the same MaxVID and MinVID as the processor itself. At least this means I should be able to jack the NB to 1.225V if nothing else. It defaults to 1.1x. Who knows if that's what was actually becoming unstable instead of my cores. They clock synchronously on my system. CPU Clock = NB Clock
This
My one can't do more than 2398MHz on default 1.175V
CPU is fine at 3GHz and 1.15V
If you can lower NB multi that will definitely gain you some MHz
I know that attempts were done in ASUS L1N board thread ...
Hope it helps
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As I recall, changing the NB divisor didn't actually change me, but that was really early in this project. I'll try again when I get home and see what happens.
That's already promising though for the quality of this silicon if my NB works fine at default VID (1.175V) at over 2.5GHz.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
Wow, there's some really neat information in here. Good bye speculations of yesteryear--here are the required frequency relationships between NB and CPU:
- CPU can not run below 400 MHz
- NB frequency must obey: >= half of CPU Frequency AND <= 32 * CPU Frequency
So with a CPU frequency of 4000 MHz, the NB theoretically must be between 2000 MHz and 128,000 MHz. (Not that the silicon itself would do that upper limit, but it's required for the logic. This max is effectively a non-issue.)
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
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