Counter-sigged? Now that's rich.
Counter-sigged? Now that's rich.
Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
Rule 2A:
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
Thank you, I'm honoredOriginally Posted by i found nemo
I somehow think you wouldn't understand...
Mojo stands for Compute Power!
No need for powerfull CPUs or GPUs anymore. All you need is Mojo!
The ~181mm2 die is estimated to have ~1.1-1.2b trannies.
A 256mm2 die, you are correct, we are looking at ~1.6-1.7b trannies.
Like trini said, those are just loose estimates based on previous architectures. Depending on the tweaks and density, these numbers could be quite a bit off.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
Please don't use the term "tranny" for transistors.. please..
I don't want to think of transvesties every time we talk about transistors..
Not that there's something wrong with it, though.
Mojo stands for Compute Power!
No need for powerfull CPUs or GPUs anymore. All you need is Mojo!
its not his problem that you always have something perverted on your mind.
Evergreen is probably a 40nm HD4890 with DX11 right?
When you see me type like a drunken monkey, keep in mind that i am a foreigner - like Fez.
My post could have been interpreted as sarcastic or as "pleasantly surprised"AMD is usually really quiet unless the company has grown a confidence level above avarage
Sigged
Wow Sig Fest! Wonder if this will get sigged to.
put that in your sig and smoke it
Lets be fair and objective.
First of all AMD has brought out some excellent products in the last year from cpu's to video cards. Can't fault them at all.
Second, if they didn't promote themselves and I was the CEO I'd fire the marketing manager and PR people.
You can't sell what people don't know exists and thats the simplest way to say it.
Crunch with us, the XS WCG team
The XS WCG team needs your support.
A good project with good goals.
Come join us,get that warm fuzzy feeling that you've done something good for mankind.
true that, but telling the world that dog poo will cure cancer doesn't do the company any favors either.
i'm looking forward to what ati will bring to the table with this generation, but i will reserve judgment until we see nvidia's latest monster.
That is an incorrect approach. You do not wait to compare an 2010 Mustang with the 2012 Camaro, you compare it with the 2008 Stang and the 2010 Camaro.
You may reserve your judgement, but the majority of people will compare it against the other parts ATI and Nvidia have out atm.
Perkam
true there is always something new coming next week,next month,next quarter, you can endup waiting forever
no, i'm going to compare first gen dx11 parts...
true there is always something new coming next week,next month,next quarter, you can endup waiting forever
So what have you been comparing? ATI was 10.1 nvidia was not.
R600 vs G200b...
Remember, you don't compare by performance or age but by size.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
But these interviews are so boring that I'm not sure they count as "positive promotion".
Like politics, maybe it's the interviewer's job to make sure the interviewed doesn't turn every answer into a marketing or self-promotion statement.
So it's either a very technical presentation (like the one we saw in the first post) or the interviewer must carefully ask for something very specific, so the answer won't turn into "we were the first to use GDDR5/40nm" or "we're happy with the innovation and performance of our products".
But still, the guy being interviewed could/should answer "GDDR5 allowed us to decrease the GPU bus and reduce PCB complexity while retaining the overal bandwidth" instead of "We pioneered with GDDR5 and we were the first company ever to use it, so we also innovate. And did I tell you GDDR5 was first used by us and it's great?.
This the overall problem: PR and Marketing guys are boring and repetitive.. Most of the time it's a well-shaved and happy face in a good-looking suit saying the same thing over and over -> which means they don't really know what they're talking about.
I wouldn't want that for my company..
Mojo stands for Compute Power!
No need for powerfull CPUs or GPUs anymore. All you need is Mojo!
Problem probably lies in the PR and marketing people's lack of knowledge when it comes to the technical stuff. Sure, they are probably quite well educated in the features and such but not why they were implemented and what this meant for the product. Like with GDDR5 and the smaller bus and thereby smaller die size. Or the yield problems at TSMC at 40nm and what that does to 4770 being non existent in stores (probably not something they want to say anyway).
now this is rich, coming from ToTTen Tranz - sexual?
Well this is wrong..
If it's a bikini girl smiling while holding a graphics card (booth babe), maybe it makes some sense.
But if you let someone actually talk about the product, you better make sure he knows what he's saying.
Mojo stands for Compute Power!
No need for powerfull CPUs or GPUs anymore. All you need is Mojo!
Heh, I don't follow this analogy. Is GT300 supposed to be the 2012 Camaro? Unless the two companies release parts on the exact same day every generation of course one is gonna be first and get compared to "old" stuff. But that's not going to be relevant for most of the generation or the sales period.
True....very trueHe did one thing right, he helped the EU get most of the 1.8 Billion they've invested in AMD back
Joking aside ATi and nVidia have the same driver issue at the moment with Windows 7 RC (or the issue COULD be Windows 7 RC itself?) the issue I am on about is.... ASPECT RATIO SCALING.
Works perfectly in Vista and XP, but is flakey in Windows 7 for both nVidia and ATi users.
Back on topic, nVidia will have the performance crown for DirectX11, however ATi MIGHT be first out the door with DirectX11 products, as I sense nVidia will follow in November, yet ATi will lead the way in Late September.
(Anyone who thinks nVidia will not have the fastest single GPU solution only has to read about DirectX compute and other computational functions of DirectX11....and then realise that the current crop of nVidia hardware already does this.....and VERY well)
John
Stop looking at the walls, look out the window
if the public believes that dog poo will cure cancer, then why not make some money off of it?
Uh, that's just rumours... Nvidia will be late for sure, unless they are secretly planning the release, which I doubt. ATI even demonstrated their cards already.
And you have no idea about ATI chip performance and Nvidia chip performance, how can you compare them... Best not make such assumptions or people will put your words in your signature now and back into your mouth after the release if you are wrong.
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