Quote Originally Posted by Drwho? View Post
People selling the samples are the reason why we can not support stuff like the F1 championship of OC, it is not about money, it is about trust and respect of the rules.

1) they are selling something they don't own.
2) The person buying it does not get a real CPU ... even if he think it is a better CPU, it is not!
3) They are making money on something they did not pay for.
4) They get their friends into trouble in the company that gave them the samples ...

They do the same commerce with AMD parts.

It is ok to sell processors as long as they are not ES, what is so difficult to understand that ... It is like Nissan or Honda let you try a car ... and while you try the car, you go and sell it on ebay.

The people selling the ES hurt the OC community, the day they understand that, we will be better OFF.

So, yes, we are changing the sampling ... we now have full tracability, and it is sad, but we are going to use it.

and of course, it has to be a french guy who does this! @!#$%@!@#$%
To respond by the numbers;
1) The orginal seller sold something he didn't own.
He is the one who made money on the item and "he" is most likely an employee of one of the major motherboard companies or the like.
He is your problem not the people who see 1.2 or 6 Es chips per year.
Guys like Boblemagnifique aren't in this for money.
If I know him he probably bought that chip 3-4 weeks ago for more than he sold it for.
Tested it, had his fun and then passed it on hoping to break close to even.
Guys like that "live" for the testing part. That is their passion. It is definately not a money thing to them.
You know that when the price of cpu's has come up on this forum that I've always supported the fact that it's a free marketplace but there is the reality that to buy Intel products at retail prices is a rich mans hobby.
I recently priced out a pair of W5580's for my Gainestown system and do you know what they go for retail?
How about $3400.00 and up for a pair.
Look for yourself:
Shopping results for w5580 xeonIntel BX80602W5580:
Quad Core Xeon W5580 $1,707.49 new - ProVantage
Quad Core Xeon W5580 $1,935.50 new - nuLime
Intel Xeon W5580 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core ... $1,699.99 new - Newegg.com
I don't expect you to give them away but get realistic and understand when the numbers are that high almost anyone will buy a pair of ES's when they are offerred.
To expect anything else is just not facing reality.
2) This is not always true and I expect you knew that before you typed it.
It depends on stepping .
There are ES's and then there are ES's.
Just like the retail Q6600 G0's were a major step up over the previous B3 chips the same is true with ES's.
A D0 step ES i7-975 is every bit as good as the retail and I can cite many other examples to prove my point.
3) Yes, the orginal seller did make money on something he didn't pay for but from that point on, the end users aren't making much money if any on the chips.
4) I don't know how to answer this except to say that the two chips I've received, one directly from AMD and one that I think but am not sure came to me with Intels blessing I wouldn't sell for my own reasons.

The bottom line here is that we aren't your enemy.
We are not the ones dealing in mass quantities of ES chips making hundreds of thousands in profit on them.
I'll guarantee you that I'm not.
I think there's $100.00 in my checking account right now and maybe 50% of what I've made in the last 6 months has gone to computer parts.
There's an old expression that fits well here:
'Your so busy bending over picking up pennies that you don't see the dollar bills falling out of your pocket."