Quote Originally Posted by Drwho? View Post
ou la la ... Mister KP, please check by yourself before making funny statements ... I am getting a lot of emails of people successfully OCing the 975 at much higher frequency than what you personally archived at GOOC ... Thomas in Europe already got 5.6Ghz stable with ... a non hand picked part. (And NO, he did not get this one from me, I am re-enforcing a policy, that does include myself)
Are you telling me that you did less with the supposely hand picked part of GOOC than Thomas with this regular Ci7 975 ? That would be a pretty sad statements on your own capability ...

May be this is what you are affraid ... losing your special samples and actually show that you are equal to others ...
Let's make the ground equal for everybody, even for you mister Kingpin.

By the way, I started overclocking probably close to the time you started walking ...

Thanks for elevating the debate on how to make this a serious and Fair contest, I understand that you have your own agenda, push it aside, and do the right thing.
It look like when you get into contest where the play ground is levelled, Charles wins ... is it your concern? hehehehehe ... just kidding!
Francois
There are even better samples out there than Thomas' chip ... retail, non-hand-picked. But that's really not the issue here.

If we're talking about evening up the playing field within the F1 overclocking league, so that it would be interesting not only for manufacturers and tech enthousiasts, but also for the overclockers in that competition. As far as I can see, there have been three suggestions on this topic:

1) Limit the frequency of the cpu's => manufacturers and tech enthousiasts will be less interested + the whole point of this competition is to go as fast as possible.
2) Only use retail samples => F1 competition will just be what Hwbot is now, only using different team names and with some backup by the manufacturer. However, if it's the same like hwbot, we don't need something new, hence competition is pointless.
3) Let processor manufacturers (Intel, AMD ... Via -lol-) provide each team a few cherry-picked samples => apparently against the will of Intel (new policy)

If I'm not mistaken, what you're trying to say here is that retail samples should be used because they represent what's available on the market. But, since 5.6G (yes, even 6G) is available on the market, why is it not possible for Intel to provide the teams competing in this competition with chips that can do this frequency for sure. Eliminate the factor luck and money by providing those chips, much like you did on GOOC (brilliant move).

No one is asking for hand-picked 7GHz 3D stable i7 samples, but since this is an F1 competition, or at least supposed to be, is it too much to ask for the top-shelf samples to be used? Or how does that violate your new policy?

Oh, and much like the postcount on forums, the number of years you've spent overclocking doesn't matter. The scene you see here on XS and on a bigger scale on Hwbot has evolved from the pure matter of overclocking to get more performance to a scene that cares about numbers, about benchmark scores. Please tell me, how much time of your life have you been benchmarking in competition with more than just your family, friends and neighbours?

And ... oh please, don't talk about agenda's.

Quote Originally Posted by mikeguava View Post
Vince I think you are trying to refer to Francois and Charles were showing the 965 last December, but please remember for the getgo he has been saying that manufacturers demo are useless in his opinion.
If Francois thinks they're pointless, he shouldn't have been doing them in the first place. The fact that he did, shows he believed the demo has its purpose.