you miss my point, if this is in the pipeline already, and is true, mobos and chips will be next.Originally Posted by MACMAC
hell if they supply this lot free, ill buy the mobos and chips myself.
you miss my point, if this is in the pipeline already, and is true, mobos and chips will be next.
hell if they supply this lot free, ill buy the mobos and chips myself.
So we have to compete against the company's representatives for example in the benches?...
....and IF yes, where are our hardware...
Give us hardware and we'll give you HELL....
EDIT: I JUST show/understood this: "SuperPi 8M (on an AMD platform)"
IF you guys think that I'll touch the AMD platform in my hands you must be out of your mind....
ONLY if you send some guys over here and get hostages my family, I will participate into this...
Last edited by hipro5; 06-18-2009 at 01:19 AM.
INTEL PWA FOR EVER
Dr. Who my arss...
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EDIT: I JUST show/understood this: "SuperPi 8M (on an AMD platform)"
IF you guys think that I'll touch the AMD platform in my hands you must be out of your mind....
ONLY if you send some guys over here and get hostages my family, I will participate into this...
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Test bench: empty
F1 drivers do not buy the car to race.
Better to have the buyers assemble the bench rig parts and send them to us (dead equal playing field). I would expect the CPU and other parts to be in the box factory new.
We all have the needed tools of the trade so whatever method of cooling we have (F1 or Cascade) we will use.
We are putting on an exhibition and setting aside months to finish, and this is for what?
air water... best used for human consumption.
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Intel will only sample Store parts, you are so comparing apple and banana ... The all competition makes no sense then.
Based on some survey I got, more than 80% of the overclockers does it with Air, 12% on water ... the rest is peltier and liquid gas ... you want to leave the majority out?
Francois
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INTEL PWA FOR EVER
Dr. Who my arss...
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No problem with retail parts at all.
Chilled air -30c
Chilled liquid -75c
If the parts are sponsored I guess I would run air and water to get points if there was a category.
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Based on another survey (probably the from the same company), more than 97% of the people allowed to drive a car stay below 250KM/h.
If you know what I mean ...
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What I am saying is simple: if it turns to a manufacturer contest (If not using Store parts, intel will not participate, and will voice that it is not a fair contest, we will stay on the high road, no consumer misleading demo, that s it.), you got to take into account what people do with them ... and it is mostly Air and Water ... removing this from the contest create a very misleading image of the market.
You don't want the OC community to turn into a marketing tool... it is the worst that could happen to it.
by the way, It is easy to bin parts when you don t produce a lot of them, agreeing to binning for OC is admitting that you are not under pressure of delivering as many parts as you can, that means, people don t buy your parts, and you have time to bin them more ... humm hummmmmmm in simple words, that is a very bad news if you have time to bin for extreme OC ...
Francois
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hasnt it already, isnt this whole thing about marketing for companys, since they, after all are dictating teams?
That is what we have to fight as much as we can, it has to be about the "driver" of the car, as much as about the "car" ... and it has to be inside a set of rules ... even Formula 1 has its own rules, and they are very strong.
I OCed my 1st PC in 1985, it was a 80286 in a Bull Micral 30 and an olivetti with 80186 ... I toke the 80286 from 8Mhz to 12Mhz by changing the Quartz by hand ... and the 80186 from 4.77Mhz to 7 Mhz ...
trust me, OC is something special to me! I really want the contest to be something honnest and as Fugger told you, I went through many layers of my company to insure that Intel will be elegant in the way we behave, I hope my competitors will hear the call and align ... let s see!
Store parts or nothing!
Francois
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Francois
i like what i hear from you but i wonder how this will actually work in practice
We probably need to start creating rules and charters that companies will engage themselve to sign up and respect them, the exact same way the F1 or all the technology sports do.Francois
i like what i hear from you but i wonder how this will actually work in practice
I can give a hand if the organizers of this contest, I can provide lawyer support to write a draft, and set up one time for all, some public rules that the company participant, and Overclockers has to follow.
If you look at the Spec Web site, there are rules to be allowed to participate, rules about what you can use during the contest, and how you actually publish your result. They have rules as well on when the hardware you are using has to be released, and they have a verification commision.
SPEC.org is very much what you want to be inspired by, AMD, Intel, IBM and most of others industry players agreed to sign up on those rules, I know intel will sign up on similar rules if apply to overclocking.
It is time to move OC to an other level, as an organized sport/Hobby, not only a marketing tool.
Like every championship, the rules has to evolve over time, here is an example:
http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/Docs/runrules.html
Notice:
1.3.2 Obtaining Components
Therefore, it is expected that the components used in a published result can in fact be obtained, with the level of quality commonly expected for products sold to ordinary customers. Such components are required to:
be specified using customer-recognizable names,
be generally available within certain time frames,
provide documentation,
provide an option for customer support,
be of production quality, and
provide a suitable environment for programming.
The judgment of whether a component meets the above list may sometimes pose difficulty, and various references are given in these rules to guidelines for such judgment. But by way of introduction, imagine a vendor-internal version of a compiler, designated only by an internal code name, unavailable to customers, which frequently generates incorrect code. Such a compiler would fail to provide a suitable environment for general programming, and would not be ready for use in a SPEC CPU2006 result.
If we can inspire a "charter" out of the Spec example, we can establish a very fair and honest contest.
Francois
Last edited by Drwho?; 06-18-2009 at 03:41 AM.
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Okay, and what would make this F1 competition than so different from what we have already? Hwbot.org and overclocking events would then be just fine.
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Oops. Evidently you are correct. Sorry.Seems The_Overclocker didn't see my post. Anyway, artkobe and victorwang are great overclockers in China.
Francois: I know you have the contacts to get this done - how about we put an end to the chance of bogus chips by adding some new micro code on the CPU's allotted for competition (not binned); re-Identifying the chips as "Intel Competition Core i7 9XX" chips?
So you just get REALLY lucky then?
I guess we'll know for sure after you test them
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i think francois is onto something here massman
Simply yes.
Precisely. This would be 2 members contributing to 1 account instead of 1 account per member... *yawn*
Do you know what SPEC stands for? Standard Performance Evaluation Corporation. This is supposed to be an expo with ridiculous people using ridiculous hardware to showcase ridiculous results. Anything but standard.
No doubt he's making a valid point here (hence the discussion about cherry-picked hardware on different forums), but ... of what purpose is this F1 competition if we're only gonna use non-cherry samples (retail or ES, doesn't even matter)? Then it's just the Hwbot competition with a select group of benchers competing with a different set of benchmarks.
Basicly: Hwbot + Manuf support + user competitions
Explain to me what the difference is please. Maybe I'm missing a vital point here
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i dont think you get the point francois is putting across
i have been talking about some official standards and rules in overclocking preventing manufacturers showcasing their cherry picked hardware like AMD and Intel have been doing in recent times as well as some otherthat was going on. i know fully well what SPEC is but that is not the point here at all. It is about creating some rules specifically related to our "sport" mate..........extreme overclocking with some sound rules
that's what francois is talking about
massman > simply making it a professional sport and really putting the hammer down with some strict rules to prevent comps like this from blowout results where NO ONE would want to watch someone repeatedly win and win due to some advantage they have
Last edited by dinos22; 06-18-2009 at 05:58 AM.
I thought we had come to that conclusion on page 5 or 6?i dont think you get the point francois is putting across
i have been talking about some official standards and rules in overclocking preventing manufacturers showcasing their cherry picked hardware like AMD and Intel have been doing in recent times as well as some other
that's what francois is talking about
i like that it's coming from one of the BIG manufacturers that was guilty of cherry picking and showcasing hardware which was not exactly close to retail product thats all
nothing wrong with retail parts as long as they are all binned to be within 50mhz imo
why not just shift the hole F1 to AMD parts ?
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