I must be lucky, I bought both the gd-70 and ultra-d from newegg open box and have never had a problem with either. The dfi was bare, not even a cpu cooler retention bracket, but I was able to overclock an opty 165 to 2.8ghz 24/7. It was harder to get there on the dfi, but with your handy dandy bios cd Tony (thank you) I was able to get a great overclock for nearly 3 years. The biggest problem with the dfi for me was getting the ram squared away, but it ran great for me once that got taken care of.