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  • X25-E 32GB x4

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  • X25-E 60 GB x2

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  • OCZ Vertex Ex 60GBx2

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Thread: $1500 for storage(SSDs)- what would you do?

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    The boot up time of the x25-5 in raid took into account the boot initialisation of the 5405. It's not really testing how fast the X25-e is in this regard, but how slow the 5405 is at initialising.

    "Ignore this one, folks. Our RAID setup may take more than a minute longer to boot than the rest, but it's also the only configuration that has to initialize the Adaptec RAID card, which takes its sweet time booting up."

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    Quote Originally Posted by audienceofone View Post
    The boot up time of the x25-5 in raid took into account the boot initialisation of the 5405. It's not really testing how fast the X25-e is in this regard, but how slow the 5405 is at initialising.

    "Ignore this one, folks. Our RAID setup may take more than a minute longer to boot than the rest, but it's also the only configuration that has to initialize the Adaptec RAID card, which takes its sweet time booting up."
    But the times show normal HDD's booting XP faster than and x25-m.
    From my experience these times look like BS to me.

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    How often do you boot your system a day?
    Is booting your hobby?

    I´m not interestet in boot-time-benches.


    @ tekjunkie

    Try the "Ms" of Intel or Vertex/Supertalent UD ME


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    14x 1TB-HDDs? To high consumption!
    The 6x Samsung F1 of my Raid 6 consumes ~ 35W

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    The X25-Ms have been shipped, should be here tomorrow.It should be interesting to see them on ICH10R Vs ARC-1231ML.
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    TR storage reviews are totally cr@p. I had hints before and the proof came with their ANS-9010 review in which they didn't even enable the ICH's caching option and gave RAID0 results lower than a single drive.
    I just don't trust them anymore and therefore not even checking at their reviews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekjunkie View Post
    The X25-Ms have been shipped, should be here tomorrow.It should be interesting to see them on ICH10R Vs ARC-1231ML.
    The Areca ist faster. See my comparison (Areca vs. Onboard)

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=255


    When you set the stripesize to 4k there is a great difference of performance between the Areca an Onboard
    Btw: An extra controller gives you much more comfort (online-settings) and security.


    @ Chosen.

    Yes, the techreport-review is crap.
    With many simultaneous acceesses every SSD collapse to a few of MB/s.
    Not a Acard

    http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...21&articID=935 (see Conclusive Thoughts)
    Last edited by F.E.A.R.; 05-18-2009 at 08:59 AM.

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    I couldn't imagine spending that much money on SSD's. Just aint going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.E.A.R. View Post
    How often do you boot your system a day?
    Is booting your hobby?

    Usually? Never.
    When I swap/test CPUs for stability though, it's 100x in a row easy. You can save a LOT of time there with 1-2 SSDs on the ICH10R, believe me.

    Now as for Areca vs. onboard, the Areca will win overall especially at 4k random write/read like F.E.A.R. pointed out. Even though you probably won't "feel" much of a difference running most standard tasks.
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    As many X-25M's or Vertex's as I can afford.

    Considering the price scaling seems to be linear (60gb = $150, 120gb = $300) I'd make my choice based on the raid card, if it's 4 ports, get 4x80gb X25 or 4x120gb Vertex, if it's 8 ports I'd get 8x60gb Vertex :drool:

    IMO the X25-E aren't worth it at all

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    @ jcool, du Luxxer

    Du kannst ruhig deutsch schreiben.
    Wenn ich mein sys. teste (CPU oder Ram) nehm ich den Controller natürlich raus, sonst wird man ja irre

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    1500$ ? yeh ill be going for new ~6x slc ssd soon

    f.e.a.r itll put your ramdrive to shame

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcool View Post
    Usually? Never.
    Now as for Areca vs. onboard, the Areca will win overall especially at 4k random write/read like F.E.A.R. pointed out. Even though you probably won't "feel" much of a difference running most standard tasks.
    I think we need some real world tests because the only advantage I can see with a raid card is cache for 4k writes. What about reads? They usually out number writes! Also the x25-m doesn't need any help in that department anyway.

    I think benchmarks with drives on raid controllers give unrealistic performance promises due to cache affecting the benchmark.

    Does the cache improve read performance?

    @ One_Hurts perhaps you could chime in, as I know you used to use hardware raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapalmV5 View Post
    1500$ ? yeh ill be going for new ~6x slc ssd soon

    f.e.a.r itll put your ramdrive to shame
    What drives though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhys View Post
    I think we need some real world tests because the only advantage I can see with a raid card is cache for 4k writes. What about reads? They usually out number writes! Also the x25-m doesn't need any help in that department anyway.

    I think benchmarks with drives on raid controllers give unrealistic performance promises due to cache affecting the benchmark.

    Does the cache improve read performance?

    @ One_Hurts perhaps you could chime in, as I know you used to use hardware raid.
    if you think cache is unrealistic/unimportant.. remove your cpu cache and then tell me cache is unrealistic

    cache @ raid controller is just as important

    may aswell remove your ram/cpu/mobo/os everything!

    tell me.. what you left with???


    goodness gracious theres so much baseless talking in the forum but little experience talking

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapalmV5 View Post
    if you think cache is unrealistic/unimportant.. remove your cpu cache and then tell me cache is unrealistic

    cache @ raid controller is just as important

    may aswell remove your ram/cpu/mobo/os everything!

    tell me.. what you left with???


    goodness gracious theres so much baseless talking in the forum but little experience talking
    Forget mentioning everything unrelated to Raid Card cache. Can you simply advise how cache on the raid card will be improving read speed?
    Does the OS read from the drive or the cache?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhys View Post
    What drives though?
    i wont say till i put it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhys View Post
    Forget mentioning everything unrelated to Raid Card cache. Can you simply advise how cache on the raid card will be improving read speed?
    Does the OS read from the drive or the cache?
    oh so now forget? lol ok i forgot what cache does

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    ill tell you this.. adding the areca 1231 to my q9650 @ 4.6ghz is like adding 100+mhz to q9650

    i know.. im too naive for sharing everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapalmV5 View Post
    goodness gracious theres so much baseless talking in the forum but little experience talking
    Quote Originally Posted by NapalmV5 View Post
    oh so now forget? lol ok i forgot what cache does

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    look man i dont have the time to spend all day/night on forums why/how this why/how that.. im not here to correct everything.. just to balance things a bit



    anyways im not here to push/force raid cards down anyones throats

    happy with no raid? stay happy.. if my raid makes you sad.. my apologies
    Last edited by NapalmV5; 05-18-2009 at 12:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapalmV5 View Post
    look man i dont have the time to spend all day/night on forums why/how this why/how that.. im not here to correct everything.. just to balance things a bit



    anyways im not here to push/force raid cards down anyones throats

    happy with no raid? stay happy.. if my raid makes you sad.. my apologies
    All I want to know is, do hardware raid cards 'really' improve ssd performance, and if they (or some) do, then why?

    I don't care about happy or sad right or wrong, I just care about the reality.

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    cache = efficiency

    thats what i mean by: remove cpu/video/ssd/raid/os/everything

    remove all that cache and what are you left with ?


    reality?? but of course areca 1231 improves ssd efficiency

    otherwise id be stupid to spend loads of $

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapalmV5 View Post
    1500$ ? yeh ill be going for new ~6x slc ssd soon

    f.e.a.r itll put your ramdrive to shame
    But only for 2GB, than your cache is full of data.
    Let a Flash-SSD-Array run with many simultanious accesses and can see a big dropdown.
    No Flash-SSD can beat the raw performance of DRAM-based SSDs (since 30 years)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhys View Post
    Forget mentioning everything unrelated to Raid Card cache. Can you simply advise how cache on the raid card will be improving read speed?
    Does the OS read from the drive or the cache?
    When you start a second run of a app (or whatever), you can read from the controller-cache. Max. 1600MB/s. is no problem for one controller.
    Last edited by F.E.A.R.; 05-18-2009 at 01:38 PM.

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    here we go again with the cache

    not when its bound to sata

    my only concern is whether youll believe the numbers ill post up

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    You can´t get more than ~ 800MB/s. without cache and 1600MB/s. with cache.
    I still waiting for results with IOmeter/Workstation of your Flash-SSDs.
    I don´t believe you can beat DRAM-based SSDs.

    Note: The Acard 9010 have in fact SATA 2, but they are bounded with PCIe x8 between Areca and system

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