Gigabyte EX58-UD5/Extreme Discussion Thread

[ReverendMaynard]

Okay, I've had time to play with it and have double-checked all three settings.

For my board the roundtrip latency remained unchanged at "59" regardless of Standard, Turbo, or Extreme. All of the timings shown in CPU Tweaker remain unchanged as well.

I did a quick SuperPi 1M run, Standard and Extreme settings was 9.653 and 9.633 seconds respectively. Whatever setting it changes, it has a very minor impact now as compared to previous chipsets.

Can you check Everest bandwidth?

[tajoh111]

I am trying to get past this 222 blck wall. 223 does not boot. 222 is easy and to bench only requires 1.42 volts, atleast for superpi.

3dmark06 requires 1.5volts.

But I can't get past 222. I tried the PCI express thing, it doesn't work.

I added more voltage it doesn't work.

I can't even boot at 223.

[rge]

It does look like the most recent bioses on extreme have little difference between turbo and standard, in fact none that I can tell yet. I tried everest as well. I remember on earlier EX bioses round trip latencies and other secondary timings were different between perf turbo and standard, as well as spi and everest.

first pic perf turbo



second perf standard



And extreme is exact same as first 2, looks like on these later bioses, that perf. standard, turbo, and extreme are either the same or nearly same.

[Kougar]

Can you check Everest bandwidth?

Using settings in my sig, ran everest on a clean boot:

Extreme

Read 18225 MB/s
Write 15908 MB/s
Copy 22860 MB/s
Latency 43.4 ns

Standard

Read 18140 MB/s
Write 15903 MB/s
Copy 23098 MB/s
Latency 43.8 ns

Ran the tests several times, numbers were generally pretty close. Only marginal difference was the Standard Copy number which was usually slightly higher than the Extreme number.

[ic3m4n2005]

@sparda: thanks for the template, but my cpu doesn't really like it

@Kougar: I'm actually using the newest version of ET6 from their website, but since i've found myself a good settings it's not really important anymore


One last thing, i'm currently on Bios F6, will a newer version give me better results ? Which one should be best for my Xeon W3520 ?
A Problem occured to me while trying to encode a BD to x264. FFMpeg or Mencoder stop nearly immediately after starting to encode, but i'm am over 6 hours primestable with this setting... problem somewhere else ? Maybe forgot to install something ?!? Or what could it be. Using Server 2008 atm...and i like it, but that i can't encode sucks big time

[naokaji]

I just checked on mine again, it does change round trip, but only by a tiny little bit, talking 1 -2 here. But the difference is so small it might as well just be a incorrectly displayed value in the Bios / cputweaker, that is with F6 on the ud5.

with 200 bclk, x8 ram multi, x16 uncore, x36 qpi, x20 cpu, turbo + ht on / rest off, cas 7, trcd 7, trp 7, tras 20, cmd 1 (all subs on auto) everest gave me the following:

peformance enhance: standard
Read: 17727
Write: 14462
Copy: 20300
Latency 45.8

peformance enhance: turbo
Read: 17924
Write: 14454
Copy: 21363
Latency 45.3

peformance enhance: extreme
Read: 17215
Write: 14468
Copy: 20195
Latency 45.3

I've bumped up the speed a little to see if it behaves different at higher speeds
with 200 bclk, x10 ram multi, x20 uncore, x36 qpi, x20 cpu, turbo + ht on / rest off, cas 8, trcd 8, trp 8, tras 18, cmd 1 (all subs on auto) everest gave me the following:

peformance enhance: standard
Read: 21185
Write: 17413
Copy: 24249
Latency 40.3

peformance enhance: turbo
Read: 21227
Write: 17424
Copy: 23736
Latency 40.2

peformance enhance: extreme
Read: 21206
Write: 17431
Copy: 24866
Latency 40.3

My conclusion? something is fishy in performance enhance land, there is not even enough difference between standard and extreme to make up for the variation between bench runs.

[ye_3333]

hi to evreyone..
i relly need some help here..
this is my reg:
920 D0
EX58 EX with f7c bios
1st stage cooling (-62c' evap)
ocz 1600mhz 8-8-8
and ocz 700w!
and more..
the problem is that i can get more then 200 bclk stable!! no meter what i do in the volt..
i can boot with 235 bclk but the windows will no start..
can some one tell me if that is the best bios for me?
the cpu temp from bios with 229bclk 1.5v it -21c' soo that ist the problem...
can someone give me the best seting for the extreme board in 220bclk and with which bios?
thanks
i hope i will get some good records..
thanks and sorry for my eng.... :-)

[Kougar]

Ye 1333, sorry but I've not had much luck beyond 201Bclk myself so I wouldn't know. You might have better luck posting in the subzero cooling subforum?

6, will a newer version give me better results ? Which one should be best for my Xeon W3520 ?
A Problem occured to me while trying to encode a BD to x264. FFMpeg or Mencoder stop nearly immediately after starting to encode, but i'm am over 6 hours primestable with this setting... problem somewhere else ? Maybe forgot to install something ?!? Or what could it be. Using Server 2008 atm...and i like it, but that i can't encode sucks big time

Some would suggest using newer beta BIOS's (the links are in this forum) but I wouldn't. I'm happy with F6 and personally can wait for official, non-buggy BIOS releases. It's up to you.

My conclusion? something is fishy in performance enhance land, there is not even enough difference between standard and extreme to make up for the variation between bench runs.

It would not be the first time "Performance Enhance" setting does nothing. In this case it sounds like all it does is tighten up lax low level timings... from what I can tell all of my timings are pretty tight already so perhaps there wasn't anything for it to tighten? That theory should be easy enough to test by setting really lax memory settings, but I'm not going to worry about it at this point.

[ReverendMaynard]

I'm on F4J....wonder if that makes a difference?

[wyemarn]

I have EX58-UD4 and I notice my PC wakes up automatically 5 mins after I put it to sleep. Is it a bug?

[Pyr0]

i had the same prob.

go to the device manager>network adapters
right click on the NIC and select properties
click on the power management tab and deselect "Allow this device to wake the computer"

[Splave]

anyone have luck upping pci-e speed? anything over 100 on mine cause no boots

[ReverendMaynard]

anyone have luck upping pci-e speed? anything over 100 on mine cause no boots

gotta garbage Ati card kicking around? 2400pro's soak up the PCIE freq pretty well.

[rge]

On my Extreme i have same problem, it will do pcie 100-103, but 104 and above I get a blank display, and get same on many different bioses. I tried switching to an old 7600 nvidia card I had, same 103 pcie limit, guess I need to try an ati like reverend said, but dont have one unfortunately.

But looks like some second generation mobo's have better circuitry/layout with cleaner signals allowing higher bclk, etc, not to mention cpu's themselves ie, D0's with higher capability. 255 bclk on classified with 248 bclk benching stable is pretty impressive for both cpu and mobo. Wonder if GB will be releasing any new revisions soon.

[Splave]

actually I have a 2600 retard helmet edition (low clock gddr2) Might give that a shot

[rge]

let us know if you do, be interesting to see if that helps.

just saw your sig, you have the classified?...have you tried the same cpu in both classified and GB extreme, I realize comparing a second gen mobo to first, but interested to see how much higher bclk can go in diff mobo, if cpu is controlled, ie same cpu.

[Jonny Manc]

Getting ready to install my i7 setup (on Tuesday):
EX58-UD5, 920 D0, 6gb GSkill DDR3-1600

Whats the best bios around at the mo, I aint looking for the highest clock, but between 3.6 and 4ghz on some low volts......

Cheers

[Splave]

let us know if you do, be interesting to see if that helps.

just saw your sig, you have the classified?...have you tried the same cpu in both classified and GB extreme, I realize comparing a second gen mobo to first, but interested to see how much higher bclk can go in diff mobo, if cpu is controlled, ie same cpu.

Yeah, the classified pci-e slots are messed so Im RMAing as we speak.

On phase I with same chip I cant break 222 on the giga (because I cant raise PCI-E) and on the classified it hits 5ghz benchable 5.1 valid shot.

Going to try the 2600 tonight and will report back.

[naokaji]

Getting ready to install my i7 setup (on Tuesday):
EX58-UD5, 920 D0, 6gb GSkill DDR3-1600

Whats the best bios around at the mo, I aint looking for the highest clock, but between 3.6 and 4ghz on some low volts......

Cheers

F6 is working fine for me, with F7 I had various issues so I went back to F6.

[ReverendMaynard]

On my Extreme i have same problem, it will do pcie 100-103, but 104 and above I get a blank display, and get same on many different bioses. I tried switching to an old 7600 nvidia card I had, same 103 pcie limit, guess I need to try an ati like reverend said, but dont have one unfortunately.

But looks like some second generation mobo's have better circuitry/layout with cleaner signals allowing higher bclk, etc, not to mention cpu's themselves ie, D0's with higher capability. 255 bclk on classified with 248 bclk benching stable is pretty impressive for both cpu and mobo. Wonder if GB will be releasing any new revisions soon.

Word. There is a weakness involved here with the first spin X58's and eVGA are cashing in large with it. Good on them, about time they actually innovated the tech instead of just re-inventing customer service

[tijgert]

Some people post their bios settings in a nice php code window. How do you get your bios settings listed so nice? Ye olde pen and paper and make a nice layout yourself? Or use some program to extract it from the bios?

[Lsdmeasap]

I am trying to get past this 222 blck wall. 223 does not boot. 222 is easy and to bench only requires 1.42 volts, atleast for superpi.

3dmark06 requires 1.5volts.

But I can't get past 222. I tried the PCI express thing, it doesn't work.

I added more voltage it doesn't work.

I can't even boot at 223.

Try using 1.6 PCIE Voltage and a high QPI/Vtt and IOH Voltage, both at or above 1.4 should be good, and then boot at 210-220 (whatever is the highest you can boot with is better, I use 220) . Set 100 PCIE Freq in the BIOS to 100 and then use SetFSB to change your PCIE Freq slowly testing your Blck as you go from 100-101+

I just done this tonight using 102.4 PCIE Freq, will be going further once I find some time. No fancy cooling used here, just water



http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=568703

Some people post their bios settings in a nice php code window. How do you get your bios settings listed so nice? Ye olde pen and paper and make a nice layout yourself? Or use some program to extract it from the bios?

Yep, from our crazy minds or ye old pen and paper into a blank template

[dinos22]

Bus Frequency testing (QPI/BCLK)


I did some QPI/BCLK/bus frequency testing to see if i could break the 222Mhz "wall" I had in my previous tests. It was a bit of a tussle but in the end i managed to get some extra bus speed through few different settings outlined below. It seems as thought PCI Express frequency, uncore "sweetspot" volts and settings you boot at are the main driving factor from my initial testing in achieving higher/stable bus speeds or QPI or BCLK or whatever people call them. I was maxing out at 102.5MHz PCIe frequency in windows and while i also managed to find a sweet spot to let me OC a touch more (103 or so MHz) i was not able to make a run stick even though i did have a CAS6 run running at 228.3MHz bus only to crash on 16th loop...it looked like a 7m30s run ...

Here are my findings so far. Disregard the SuperPi efficiency.......i was just testing frequencies.

I'd love to hear from Gigabyte X58 board owners about their experience and whether these settings help anyone reach higher clocks.

I'm in touch with Gigabyte guys about this so hopefully they can figure out what it is exactly, whether it's the PLL chip or signaling/traces issue or whatever. All i care about is 250+Mhz bus speed stable on any GFX card

Test Configuration:

• Gigabyte X58-UD5 F4n bios (old bios for initial testing)
• Intel Core i7 920 retail chip 3849A910 D0 stepping
• 6GB 2000MHz CAS8 DDR3 Corsair Dominators
• Nvidia 8400 PCIe Graphics Card + Xfire ATI 4890
• 1000W HX1000 Corsair PSU
• 1hp C-BuZz Single Stage (kayl evap) > on CPU
• 160GB IDE Hard Drive
• Windows XP Pro 32bit SP3
• Windows Vista Ultimate SP1
  

BIOS SETTINGS:

• CPU PLL Voltage: Auto or 1.80v - same effect
• CPU VCORE: 1.35-1.36 - same effect
• IOH/ICH 1.1V Voltage: Auto or 1.20v - same effect
• IOH Voltage: 1.42v (i havent tried auto...dont think it matters)
• ICH PCI-E Voltage: Auto or 1.5v - same effect
• QPI/VTT: 1.433v or 1.455v = this chip's sweet spot (any higher or lower and i was unable to push past 101MHz PCIe frequency in windows)
• VDIMM: tried between 1.66v - 1.94v same effect
• BUS SPEED: booting from 200 or 210 same effect, lower or higher i had problems going past 101MHz PCIe frequency in windows
  for the record i could boot at 220 straight from bios to windows...sorry didnt try higher..will do next time
• PCIe FREQ.: Auto or 101MHz - same effect....102 would occasionally boot but every now and then throw an F6 error iirc...anything higher and no boot at all. In windows i did not see 101Mhz PCIe freq. in SetFSB even though i was selecting it in bios so not sure it was actually sticking at all.

222MHz Bus Frequency
101MHz PCI Express Frequency
32M SuperPi stable

recorded in the middle of the run (before i moved on to higher frequency)




223MHz Bus Frequency
101MHz PCI Express Frequency
32M SuperPi stable





225MHz Bus Frequency
101.8MHz PCI Express Frequency
32M SuperPi stable




226MHz Bus Frequency
101.9MHz PCI Express Frequency
32M SuperPi stable






227.5MHz Bus Frequency
102.50MHz PCI Express Frequency
32M SuperPi stable






http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=568106

[wyemarn]

i had the same prob.

go to the device manager>network adapters
right click on the NIC and select properties
click on the power management tab and deselect "Allow this device to wake the computer"

Thanks. Thanks solved my problem.

I wonder it is OS problem or drivers problem? I never had this problem with Vista x64 but facing this problem with Win 7 RC.

By the way another question on overclocking. Currently my C0 920 is stable at blck 170, 3.4Ghz with HT and Turbo on. All the voltages are in stock/normal and Vcore at 1.15V. When I try 175, I will get BSOD with LinX. Try upping the Vcore but still the same. Has my CPU hit the limit? I think 3.4Ghz at 1.15V is pretty good with load temp around 65C.

[hlonipha]

Getting ready to install my i7 setup (on Tuesday):
EX58-UD5, 920 D0, 6gb GSkill DDR3-1600

Whats the best bios around at the mo, I aint looking for the highest clock, but between 3.6 and 4ghz on some low volts......

Cheers

F7D. It requires a bit more vcore than F5G but it fixed the double cold boot problem. so for now I'm sticking with it.

Hlonipha