Low End Radiators for just 40 Bucks from Feser ?! Yes ! :)

[Mekrel]

NO offense, but dose anyone have any evidence to show they are made in china?

Have you seen German craftmanship?

If these came out of Germany, then they're produced by cowboys. Either way, the quality is terribad (that's terrible and bad, all rolled into one).

That paint work looks like it was done by a chimpanzee who's been let loose with a can of spray paint.

[orangekiwii]

german engineering is great idk what your on about?

maybe feser specifically is poor but germany in general has great engineering

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

german engineering is great idk what your on about?

maybe feser specifically is poor but germany in general has great engineering

He's basically saying that if they are made in germany they are the sloppiest made german products around. (basically you guys are agreeing)

vincent knows whats up - my source about the china information is also an industry source and I think the people in the business know what is up

[Sly Fox]

Feser, do something shady?!?!

Why I never!

[Sparky]

For 40 bucks I'd be looking at adding a couple more bucks and getting a swiftech, proven quality and performance.

[Mekrel]

Feser, do something shady?!?!

Why I never!

Aye, the ethics of TFC are disgusting.

The crap they pull makes me wonder if Watercooling manufacturers are kept a close eye on by any sort of standards body.

If any large retailer in the world pulls something dodgy, they're pretty much found out without someone blowing a whistle.

I actually believe as consumer, we're poorly treated by some of the manufacturers.

[LOUISSSSS]

Aye, the ethics of TFC are disgusting.

The crap they pull makes me wonder if Watercooling manufacturers are kept a close eye on by any sort of standards body.

If any large retailer in the world pulls something dodgy, they're pretty much found out without someone blowing a whistle.

I actually believe as consumer, we're poorly treated by some of the manufacturers.

what did feser do now??

[Mekrel]

what did feser do now??

Well I couldn't care what else they do. After their aggressive threat of physically assulting another manufacturer, they're never going to have an ounce of my respect or money.

[Sparky]

Well I couldn't care what else they do. After their aggressive threat of physically assulting another manufacturer, they're never going to have an ounce of my respect or money.

Pretty much my standing.

[MomijiTMO]

Guys shall I remind you of Feser in Europe? The guys are worshipped.

I've been shadowing this thread of a while. My take on this rad is this. YAY, more competition.

[Easybeat]

german engineering is great idk what your on about?

maybe feser specifically is poor but germany in general has great engineering

A common myth, however the truth is actually more banal. German engineering is no different from pretty much every other European country in terms of quality they just have a good press. Having spent the last 10 years traipsing around Europe visiting Engineering/manufacturing factories I have seen my share of good and bad and they are all the same in my eyes.

As for made in Germany, I once saw a train on the Poland/Germany border filled with cars of a household name which were waiting for 2 items to be fitted in Germany:-
1. The Wheels
2. The Assembled in Germany sticker.

[*|T2D|*PopovS]

Well I couldn't care what else they do. After their aggressive threat of physically assulting another manufacturer, they're never going to have an ounce of my respect or money.

I'm late for the party.... What this all is about? Did Feser folks kicked somebody in the nuts? +1 in my record!

[Eddie3dfx]

Bundy, thanks for posting this information.
I haven't read the threads on here, but it will be interesting to see what kind of performance this radiator can dish out. That being said, the paint job looks horrible.
I'd like to see a rad company target thinner radiators and optimize them. For some lan setups, the black ice pro is the only radiator that will fit.

[MomijiTMO]

Yeah if similar to the 320, things could be most interesting [savings].

I'm late for the party.... What this all is about? Did Feser folks kicked somebody in the nuts? +1 in my record!

Don't get caught up in the lunacy. It goes like this. Feser guy sends email to BP guy. Feser guy says he'd hit BP guy. Someone posts part of the email here. Reading that extract looks threatening. Apparently the full email goes a bit different. Feser guy says it was in good humor.

Basically no one knows the full story but them. In my opinion it was poorly played sarcasm on someone who clearly does not have the same knowledge of English and English expressions. If you've had exchange students over, you quickly learn they the do not know how to recognise sarcasm or jokes. Abysmal business relations on Feser's behalf.

[Waterlogged]

Yeah if similar to the 320, things could be most interesting [savings].



Don't get caught up in the lunacy. It goes like this. Feser guy sends email to BP guy. Feser guy says he'd hit BP guy. Someone posts part of the email here. Reading that extract looks threatening. Apparently the full email goes a bit different. Feser guy says it was in good humor.

Basically no one knows the full story but them. In my opinion it was poorly played sarcasm on someone who clearly does not have the same knowledge of English and English expressions. If you've had exchange students over, you quickly learn they the do not know how to recognise sarcasm or jokes. Abysmal business relations on Feser's behalf.

Actually goes back a lot further than that.

Fester asks BP for comp samples, reverse engineers them and has them made in china, BP starts legal action against Fester, Fester takes exception to being called thieves, Mario (from Fester) sends a e-mail to a Fester shill (which part of was posted here then removed for legal reasons) in which he threatens Vincent that if they meet at the trade expo in Germany he'd "show him the fine craftsmanship of German wheelchairs". Chaos then ensued on the forums and many of the members here vowed never to own anything made by Fester.

[Metric]

Yeah if similar to the 320, things could be most interesting [savings].



Don't get caught up in the lunacy. It goes like this. Feser guy sends email to BP guy. Feser guy says he'd hit BP guy. Someone posts part of the email here. Reading that extract looks threatening. Apparently the full email goes a bit different. Feser guy says it was in good humor.

Basically no one knows the full story but them. In my opinion it was poorly played sarcasm on someone who clearly does not have the same knowledge of English and English expressions. If you've had exchange students over, you quickly learn they the do not know how to recognise sarcasm or jokes. Abysmal business relations on Feser's behalf.

More precisely http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=34
edit: Ah, Waterlogged beat me to it

[MomijiTMO]

And now we have the full story.

=D

I want me some German engineered wheelchairs. They must have rockets.


[Yes this does sound familiar now. I remember saying how they should have had international patents and then Vincent saying that there isn't one in this industry. Something like that anyway].

[Waterlogged]

Just as long as they're not made by Innovatek or Fester, they should be amazing wheelchairs.

[Yes this does sound familiar now. I remember saying how they should have had international patents and then Vincent saying that there isn't one in this industry. Something like that anyway].

Heres the 2 posts that pretty much started the fireball.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=164

[LOUISSSSS]

wow feser.. wtf... wants to fight another firm? lol fist fight? hah
and feser stole BP's patents? did not know that. i'll stick w/ BP's
all this + Feser's overpriced rads that barely/don't beat the competition? (think TFC360 vs RX360 w/ low speed fans)

[Waterlogged]

When Fester announced their rads, they screamed far and wide "Beats Thermochills by 5°C". I have to this day, not yet seen a test that confirms that claim.

Fester as a company, IMO, is nothing more than a bunch of charlatans and thieves.

[*|T2D|*PopovS]

"show him the fine craftsmanship of German wheelchairs".

Ha-ha! Beautiful!

Thank you for the story, Waterlogged. Appreciate that.

[Martinm210]

This is another one of those: "We have no performance figures or even good pictures to go by things." I've seen this same thing repeat itself over and over with new products. It goes something like this:

Step 1 "Interest Phase" - Initially we get alot of interested and curiosity.
Step 2 "The Drama Zone" - But before too long, since there's no data, people get bored and it unfortunately migrates to aimless banter, drama, name calling, and rumor building.
Step 3 "Testing Phase" - As the drama begins to subside, someone "constructive" will actually apply their energy toward doing some useful testing. They feel a need to serve others rather than to carry on with the useless banter that goes nowhere.
Step 4 "Understanding/Conclusion phase"- At last those "constructive" folks will share what they've learned and set our minds at ease with useful information we can benefit from.

I'm afraid we're at step 2 and deeply in the "Drama" zone today...who's got popcorn?...

[Sparky]

This is another one of those: "We have no performance figures or even good pictures to go by things." I've seen this same thing repeat itself over and over with new products. It goes something like this:

Step 1 "Interest Phase" - Initially we get alot of interested and curiosity.
Step 2 "The Drama Zone" - But before too long, since there's no data, people get bored and it unfortunately migrates to aimless banter, drama, name calling, and rumor building.
Step 3 "Testing Phase" - As the drama begins to subside, someone "constructive" will actually apply their energy toward doing some useful testing. They feel a need to serve others rather than to carry on with the useless banter that goes nowhere.
Step 4 "Understanding/Conclusion phase"- At last those "constructive" folks will share what they've learned and set our minds at ease with useful information we can benefit from.

I'm afraid we're at step 2 and deeply in the "Drama" zone today...who's got popcorn?...

[Martinm210]

That's awesome, it's even buttered just the way I like it!

[Waterlogged]

Think I'll join you guys.