Your suggested settings for Blackops Quad @450fsb benching

[sashin]

there is ZERO difference in running memory with a quad or with a dualcore cpu... zero
the only difference is that you have a much harder time to reach high fsb speds with a quad compared to a dualcore, and youll never reach the same fsb with a quad as with a dualcore.
to check if your problem is cpu or fsb related, use the 6x cpu multiplier and check how high you can get the fsb with the 1:2 memory divider
if you cant get a high fsb, then your cpu limited and need to work on that before you can reach high memory clocks. the most important thing is vcore, then vtt, then comes pll voltage, nb voltage and cpu gtl settings.

saaya ....i have been using the G28 BIOS now for about 1 week and i can get 411 x 9.5 stable for some benchmark. I am trying to get to 411 x 10 on water cooling...i will post up my settings when i am at home tomorrow! Also some mention of upping vtt voltages. With these Cellshock i have noticed that at 411 fsb i need NO more than 1.78 volts in the BIOS !!
Will keep you updated.. Thanks for the feedback.

[rdrash]

rdrash, you ordered from memoryc?
they ship prety fast
should be with you within a week, the express option works blazing fast, some people in the US baught in the morning (UK time) and received the memory the next day

ordered from memoryC...I sure hope they get here fast, my regular forum is putting together a mini competition this coming weekend and I need all the extra help I can get...sorta put my foot into my mouth and called out some of our big guys tellin them I was going to take their rank spot in the standings...lol, it will be fun regardless

I should be pushing this Black Ops into new territory for me, I need to get it to 448x13 so I can get a sub 8 run in superpi 1m (~7.98 maybe), which I am almost confident I can do as long as the oc gods cooperate and I have a good day...like I said it is going to be a major blast...I'm excited.

[saaya]

saaya ....i have been using the G28 BIOS now for about 1 week and i can get 411 x 9.5 stable for some benchmark. I am trying to get to 411 x 10 on water cooling...i will post up my settings when i am at home tomorrow! Also some mention of upping vtt voltages. With these Cellshock i have noticed that at 411 fsb i need NO more than 1.78 volts in the BIOS !!
Will keep you updated.. Thanks for the feedback.

Nice!
could you post your detailled settings please?
might help some people here

ordered from memoryC...I sure hope they get here fast, my regular forum is putting together a mini competition this coming weekend and I need all the extra help I can get...sorta put my foot into my mouth and called out some of our big guys tellin them I was going to take their rank spot in the standings...lol, it will be fun regardless

so far i havent heard a single complaint about memoryc, some people moaned that express shipping was expensive but were very happy once they got their hardware the next day or day after

I should be pushing this Black Ops into new territory for me, I need to get it to 448x13 so I can get a sub 8 run in superpi 1m (~7.98 maybe), which I am almost confident I can do as long as the oc gods cooperate and I have a good day...like I said it is going to be a major blast...I'm excited.

hook up with the italian guys who reached 600+ fsb on the blackops maybe they can give you some tips

[ether.real]

Just wanted to throw in my 2c here. I found that running my 2x2GB Reapers is a lot easier in the white slots than in the blue slots. Right now I am passing memtest DDR3-1800, 8-8-8-27, 1.91V on the RAM, 1.4V on the NB. Neither stick would pass at any setting or any voltage at 1800 in the blue slots.


I also want to add that running 450 with my Q6600 so far has been super easy. Very little tweaking or voltage bumps have been necessary so far, other than the RAM. Of course, I am only doing 8x450 at the moment.

[MARCO74]

nice run and great setting

[Nosfer@tu]

rdrash, you ordered from memoryc?
they ship prety fast
should be with you within a week, the express option works blazing fast, some people in the US baught in the morning (UK time) and received the memory the next day

yes memoryC ROCKS

he is Danish accualy

[XmikeX]

Akrian.. not sure if you got this before oblivion hit and we lost all these nice 2009AD posts here, but here it is again :

my old 444FSB BIOS Settings for ambient temps in the 29C (84F or so) ..range...tested with OCCT and friends .. it's not perfect but might help you.



i can lower the cpu/nb/mem volts on this (a little) with lower ambient.. but VTT has to stay the same (on this example).

and these settings produced this.. (please notice the non-standard CPUMark99 of yesteryear.. )



XmX

CPUMark99 (Celeron 366->550) - ~42
CPUMark99 (Pentium MMX 300) - ~15

[Akrian]

Thx XmikeX, I've managed to look at those before the blackout =).

[Akrian]

Ok I've managed to stay 8h+ in OCCT v3.01 Lagre Data Set test mode at 442 FSB

[Akrian]

ok I'm stuck at 444 FSB. My PC freeze itself in OCCT at 445 from cold boot. At 444 - I get error on core 0 after 20min. any ideas ?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

you guys are fighting a losing battle.... with quad cores on x38/x48 board the problem is not any setting or tweak its that 95% of x38/x48 chipsets (regardless of mobo brand) cant break 450-470 FSB with a quad.... and the ones that can are very very rare (only one i have seen in recent memory)

[Akrian]

still....444 fsb.....no error....please.....neeed....help =)

[XmikeX]

you guys are fighting a losing battle.... with quad cores on x38/x48 board the problem is not any setting or tweak its that 95% of x38/x48 chipsets (regardless of mobo brand) cant break 450-470 FSB with a quad.... and the ones that can are very very rare (only one i have seen in recent memory)

...and thanks to XS and others, this "x38/x48 (quad) sucks vs. p45 (quad) rules" situation is well known since months ago..

Fortunately, 450 is not my goal. prime95/occt stable with a Q9650 @ 444 or 445 FSB (aka ~4 GHz) at _lowest_ heat/volts and _lowest_ amount of _air_ cooling/noise possible........ is my goal

Whew..

XmX

[XmikeX]

Here, from another post of mine..
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333 strap is what's working for me right now. Not much luck on the 1:3.2 so far. Also, as I work out this newer cooler GTL config, I think I've noticed significant improvements in stability by raising SB volts a little. I could be hallucinating on that but a quick scan of XS reveals an interesting post about SB and PLL's .. post #38 as seen on this thread..

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=179757&page=2
--

Any comments on SB volts and stability with BO or other mobos?

XmX

[Kensek]

I use to run my Q9650 on a Rampage Extreme up to 510x9 on Water.

[XmikeX]

Very nice, Kensek.

Meanwhile, I found my old kill-a-watt and scored some data.

(work in progress) new settings @ 444fsb -- q9650 -rig measured with a P3 Kill-A-Watt device.
speedstep/idle ~150 watts
prime95.. in-place large fft.. one thread.. ~210 w
prime95.. in-place large fft.. two threads .. ~250 w
prime95.. in-place large fft.. three threads .. ~275 w
prime95.. in-place large fft... four threads .. ~290 w

somewhat nasty, but old settings were worse..

(flawed(?)) old settings @ 445fsb
speedstep/idle ~158 watts
prime95.. in-place large fft.. one thread.. ~220 w
prime95.. in-place large fft.. two threads .. ~262 w
prime95.. in-place large fft.. three threads .. ~290 w
prime95.. in-place large fft... four threads .. ~308 w

(9 x 333) stock speeds/volts for comparison
speedstep/idle ~125 watts
prime95.. in-place large fft.. one thread.. ~168 w
prime95.. in-place large fft.. two threads .. ~192 w
prime95.. in-place large fft.. three threads .. ~204 w
prime95.. in-place large fft... four threads .. ~216 w

XmX

[Akrian]

Need one question to be anwsered : since my 4870x2 currentely is donw ( heat issues , and I almost screw the VGA cooler trying to fix it .... hope sapphire will arpptove my RMA with one screw stuck..... ( nothing THAT major though).
So here I'm now sitting with pair of my two old 4850 with reference coolers and my NB temps went HIGH - > got 60*C toady while playing games 0_o. Is 60c fine ? ( I'm going to RMA my 4870x2 during this week ... )

[Xello]

Have barely read any of this thread, i'm just saying for the record i easily (maybe not too easily) hit 450fsb with my QX9650 on the Blackops rig i had last year, dig around this section for the shared bios settings thread and you should see it

[XmikeX]

Good stuff, Xello.

Meanwhile, I'm a bit annoyed after discovering an instability (and this only became evident with prime95 + streamed flash stuff + wmv videos going simultaneously) which forced me to moderately raise NB volts (damn it), lower CPU PLL (of all things), and bump Vcore a little (sigh).. :|

Oh well, I hope I'm 99.999% "stable" at 445 FSB again

Oh yeah.. I've taken semi-stable/unstable trips into 450-465 FSB-land..and I'm convinced it's a no-go for me without getting serious about it (re : water-cooling at least).

XmX

EDIT: Bloody amazing! Beyond what I had already done .. I had to go back to my old wattage-draining +12 +6 +12 +12 (nb +6) GTL settings to gain stability beyond 30mins of prime95+vids. Guess this means I can kiss off this watt-savings project goodbye.. =) ..

Sigh.. without the simultaneous vid action, the box can go prime95 (any mode or custom memory-heavy setting) hours on end at +8 +5 +8 +8 (nb +5) .. Oh well, the mystery continues..

[Xello]

If you notice on that thread i too spent many weeks tweaking GTL, starting at +10 +5 +10 +10, going all the way to negatives and as high as +25's, and in the end i ended up back at +10 +5 +10 +10, it was the NB GTL that ended up needing tweaked as i raised FSB, requiring +3 for 421 and 435fsb and +5 for 450fsb.

I think most of my work was actually recorded in the overclocking thread, god knows where that is now though

[XmikeX]

If you notice on that thread i too spent many weeks tweaking GTL, starting at +10 +5 +10 +10, going all the way to negatives and as high as +25's, and in the end i ended up back at +10 +5 +10 +10, it was the NB GTL that ended up needing tweaked as i raised FSB, requiring +3 for 421 and 435fsb and +5 for 450fsb.

I think most of my work was actually recorded in the overclocking thread, god knows where that is now though

Sure thing. Unfortunately, these pesky idiosyncrasies that need to be worked out, per mobo and per cpu and memory and psu and temperatures.. ugh.. whatever else comes along, make each adventure unique.

This quad vs. blackops action feels like building a house of cards, or building a ship in a bottle, or crafting an ancient D&D spell.. one symbol off and yer soul is hijacked off to the nine hells

The GTL train is a hell of a ride. I might be hallucinating but, so far, I think I'm treading islands of stability (at any VTT or NB volts..) with the GTL groups at +8 +5 +8 +8 (nb +5) or +12 +6 +12 +12 (nb +6) . The famous +10 +5 +10 +10 (nb +5 or +2..3..4..) everyone recommends just isn't cutting it for me.

Ok, so in light of that, I decided to continue to work on the +8 +5 group again..and rethought some of the other settings.

Perhaps I hit some happy resonance somewhere because it appears i'm ""stable"" at 445-446 fsb again.

Just to see if I was on the right track, I kept these new 445/446 settings and moved up the chain, as follows :

heading off well into windows xp .. and beyond ..
at 447.. apparently stable
at 448.. apparently stable with cpu skew at 100 ps ..k.. that's never happened before. Normally, I dial-in 0 ps here.
at 449-52.. still good.. skew at 100 ps (PL 7 at 450? that's a first for me at NB of 1.531.. i've had it up to 1.6xxx and never achived PL7 here before)
at 453.. still good.. skew at 100 ps .. PL still at 7 ..
at 454 and up.. I decided to not press my luck, so I relaxed for the rest of the day

No sense in -really- testing 447 and higher now, as my cooling solutions are somewhat stinky (hence my current preference for a mere 4 GHz out of this project), but here's a screencap at 453 in case anyone is curious. This has been edited for clarity (and to fix some CPU-Z/AEGIS discrepancies with (G33) BIOS values).



I really like this PL7 action at this FSB and with NB @ 1.531 (per G33 bios). This will have to be explored in detail at some other time. Memory tidbits still need more work, of course. That crazy tREF there is just a momentary peen thing to push everest into 10800+ and 10000+ on read and copy .

XmX

[Akrian]

well my 442 FSB freezes at random 0_o. 8h of OCCT 3.01 - stable , bfore that - 6h - also stable. LOTRO - froze within 1 h , ok changed volatges - LOTRO .... froze within one hour .... ok changed Vid. card OC - LOTRO - 5h stable. Toady - playing Wolvie ( X-men Origins- Wolverine , a bloody nice game BTW) - froze within 1 h 0_o and I've checked temps on vid. cards just 5 min. before it froze with this annyong looping sound.

[XmikeX]

Akrian,

Your PSU is rock-solid and super-capable ?

XmX

[Akrian]

well I have 2: one from Corsair - TX850W , other from OCZ - 800W. I can try the OCZ one , but I doubt that it will help, since this one works fine actually. Anyway if that will happen again ( I mean a hard freeze) when I'm gonna play like mad from cold boot tomorrow - I will try to go back to my stable 440fsb settings ( tested OCCT and 10+ times in Vanguard saga of heroes , with 4870x2 though,not 2x4850 ( I have them now , while my 4870x2 goes to sapphire RMA ). If it will still go random on freezing stuff - I'll try different cables on vid. cards , if that won't help - my second PSU. I mean I did pass 8h of OCCT so it shouldn't be one of "those" freezes that I had before...

[Akrian]

ok , changed video cards OC - no more freezes . Got 2 bsod though - one forced me to use stock settings on vid. card -> so far so good
other : irql not less or equal bsod - it's a software error I beleave, right ?