PhenomMsrTweaker: Cool and Quiet customized

**~~soundood~~** · 03-08-2009, 05:43 PM

i gota sayi am loving this little tool, i got two vista instals on the go.

both have there own configs without BSOD, fantastic

**kink** · 03-08-2009, 05:51 PM

@pmc650: I've coded a little service myself in the meantime, I'm finishing it right now. Your service inspired me to override the standard driver, so thanks for the idea!

**pmc650** · 03-08-2009, 09:35 PM

I finally got a chance to take the VM server offline and give the updated CNQ substitute a test. Seemed to work for me

The program can be found here:

http://home.comcast.net/~pmc650/site...e493ab9aaefb9a

**Ken168** · 03-09-2009, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by charged3800z24

Don't forget to set the power profile in windows to activate C&Q.

Hi Charged,

Sorry, noob question... how do you set up the power profile in windows? (I'm on Win XP Home edition).

Question to everyone, what is an effective Vcore at 1.2ghz?

Thanks in advance.

Ken

**Miwo** · 03-09-2009, 06:13 AM

Thank you for all your hard work kink and pmc. I love the entire concept of the application and it is on my shortlist of applications to try when I make the switchover to AM3 platform sometime soon

**Meizuman** · 03-09-2009, 07:02 AM

Great program! I have two wishes for update/upgrade... ability to minimize the program to system tray and have a menu from tray icon to change the P-State to P0 and P1. And a popup text of active P-State when moving the cursor over the icon.

I like the simple layout of this program, much easier than K10Stat.

Edit: The program shows "Vcore" but the reading is CPU VID... on my mobo the overclocked setting shows default "Vcore" because my mobo isn't able to change CPU VID. I'm not sure if this issue can be adressed...? But I would like to see "CPU VID" over "Vcore" when the reading is in fact CPU VID.

**charged3800z24** · 03-09-2009, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ken168

Hi Charged,

Sorry, noob question... how do you set up the power profile in windows? (I'm on Win XP Home edition).

Question to everyone, what is an effective Vcore at 1.2ghz?

Thanks in advance.

Ken

Right click on your desktop and left click properties, then click the screen saver tab, Next click on the Power button at the bottom right. You will see power scemes. Portable/Laptop will engage CnQ.

**kink** · 03-14-2009, 06:09 PM

Version 1.2 is out.
It includes the service and a system tray icon. It is packaged as installer now because the service needs to be installed.

Any feedback would be appreciated; thanks Meizuman for your suggestions, they have been (partly) realized.

**~~soundood~~** · 03-15-2009, 12:51 AM

this is exactly what i was talking about, this is fantastic my friend.

you should offer this on your website with an option for a paypal donation

this is great work, and solves a lot of problems for OC'ers out there

heres my settings for what its worth, i had to reduce my my NB from 2600 to 2400, for it to be stable, but i got to say it works a treat.

and here is some ambient temps on water (CPU and GTX260)

i had to up the consequitive cycles to kick in from 3 to 8 for it to stop flicking between states, but that was it.

as for vista (2 of 5 OS instals on this rig) this is great, i have my Vista Office instal (browsing/downloading/agreeing with RMA's and so on)

and then i have my Vista Crysis instal (for cryisis lol) one runs in low power, one runs full power, but both overclocksed....fantastic

**Jaivan** · 03-15-2009, 01:52 AM

Awesome this is so much better than AOD

**~~soundood~~** · 03-15-2009, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Jaivan

Awesome this is so much better than AOD

ya HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

as HG would say

**Daveburt714** · 03-15-2009, 11:14 AM

Have to admit I was a little hesitant about trying this, but after seeing all the sucsess stories I gave it a shot.

All I can say is WOW! Thanks man...

Gotta go install it on my Home Theater box now...

**largon** · 03-15-2009, 11:23 AM

soundood,
Why didn't you set it to go down to 4x multi & 0.7750v?
There's lots of watts to be shaved there.

I'm idling at 65W.
Down a whopping 100W compared to my previous system with a Q6600 which consumed ~170W in idle. That is, one hundred watts worth savings in idle just by dumping Q6600 and going Deneb.

**~~soundood~~** · 03-15-2009, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by largon

soundood,
Why didn't you set it to go down to 4x multi & 0.7750v?
There's lots of watts to be shaved there.

I'm idling at 65W.
Down a whopping 100W compared to my previous system with a Q6600 which consumed ~170W in idle. That is, one hundred watts worth savings in idle just by dumping Q6600 and going Deneb.

that low? lol

i thought i was doing my thing for the enviroment

you know to be honest, i just didnt think it would go that low, without BSOD

i also like the idea of a 2 gig rig, its still powerfull enough for low level stuff, and not a too big a jump to 3.5 gig,

i also have a thing about fast voltage increases in a wide range, it can do more harm than good, i know this from my sound engineering days

**kink** · 03-15-2009, 01:33 PM

Thanks for the feedback so far.

I've just put a web page onto sourceforge: http://phenommsrtweake.sourceforge.net/

About fast voltage changes: AMD thought about this of course, so the voltage is in-/decreased in 0.0125V steps (and that is the primary reason for a P-state transition to take quite a long time).

/edit: I've just performed a SuperPI mod 1.5 XS test to compare custom C&Q and standard C&Q, each test run after a reboot:

Test: 1M
C&Q disabled: 25.77 secs
custom C&Q: 25.88 secs (default settings: 25ms intervals, 23% load threshold, 3 samples until P0, 10 until P1)
standard C&Q: 32.43 secs => 25% slower!

This is due to single-threaded applications getting re-assigned to different cores over time, all of which may need to be put in P0 state while they are processing the number-crunching thread (see the web page for more infos). Perform your own benches if you don't believe in my numbers.

**Meizuman** · 03-15-2009, 07:29 PM

Tried to install 1.2 but the installer gave an error:

"There is a problem with this Windows Installer package. A program run as part of the setup did not finish as expected. Contact your support personnel or package vendor"

While I leave the installer to that stage, I can see and launch PhenomMsrTweaker.exe and it works, at least the same options as in the 1.1 but the custom Cool and Quiet gives error when clicking apply:

"The service could not be controlled:
Cannot open PhenomMsrTweaker on computer"

Edit: Downloaded twice, installed multiple times, in my own folder and to the default folder. No effect. This is x86 version.

Could this be due to non-updated .NET framework?
I do have 2.0 SP2 - 3.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1, but is the "+" some other version? Or does it just point out that program needs 2.0 or newer?

**kink** · 03-15-2009, 08:14 PM

New version out: v1.2.1 (should be more stable when applying permanent settings and using standard C&Q on a Phenom II CPU).

@Meizuman: The problem is that the service cannot be installed during setup, 2.0+ means 2.0 upwards, so no .NET problem. I have no clue as to why the service cannot be installed. You could copy the files in the installation directory during the error message to a backup folder. Then you could open an administrator console (cmd.exe with admin rights), change to the backup directory and try to execute "PhenomMsrTweakerService.exe -i". This is basically done by the installer at the end (where it fails on your system). Make sure you have the required rights. If it succeeds, you won't see any output, otherwise an error message is displayed. Are you using WinXP or Vista+?

/edit: Make sure to use the appropriate release for your system - x86 for 32 bit OS and x64 for x64 OS.

**mattkosem** · 03-15-2009, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by kink

New version out: v1.2.1 (should be more stable when applying permanent settings and using standard C&Q on a Phenom II CPU).

@Meizuman: The problem is that the service cannot be installed during setup, 2.0+ means 2.0 upwards, so no .NET problem. I have no clue as to why the service cannot be installed. You could copy the files in the installation directory during the error message to a backup folder. Then you could open an administrator console (cmd.exe with admin rights), change to the backup directory and try to execute "PhenomMsrTweakerService.exe -i". This is basically done by the installer at the end (where it fails on your system). Make sure you have the required rights. If it succeeds, you won't see any output, otherwise an error message is displayed. Are you using WinXP or Vista+?

/edit: Make sure to use the appropriate release for your system - x86 for 32 bit OS and x64 for x64 OS.

Freaking awesome Kink! It's excellent! I'm just using the default sampling settings, and it works PERFECTLY! The multi drops down to 4x with .9v when idle and hops right up when needed! I'm running a 250mhz base clock, so I need a bit more at idle to keep it going, but it's working great!

--Matt

**kink** · 03-15-2009, 09:56 PM

hehehe glad to know that you finally got your C&Q up & running, mattkosem!

**Eternalightwith** · 03-16-2009, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by mattkosem

Freaking awesome Kink! It's excellent! I'm just using the default sampling settings, and it works PERFECTLY! The multi drops down to 4x with .9v when idle and hops right up when needed! I'm running a 250mhz base clock, so I need a bit more at idle to keep it going, but it's working great!

--Matt

First one to download new version. Yummy.

**Meizuman** · 03-16-2009, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by kink

New version out: v1.2.1 (should be more stable when applying permanent settings and using standard C&Q on a Phenom II CPU).

@Meizuman: The problem is that the service cannot be installed during setup, 2.0+ means 2.0 upwards, so no .NET problem. I have no clue as to why the service cannot be installed. You could copy the files in the installation directory during the error message to a backup folder. Then you could open an administrator console (cmd.exe with admin rights), change to the backup directory and try to execute "PhenomMsrTweakerService.exe -i". This is basically done by the installer at the end (where it fails on your system). Make sure you have the required rights. If it succeeds, you won't see any output, otherwise an error message is displayed. Are you using WinXP or Vista+?

/edit: Make sure to use the appropriate release for your system - x86 for 32 bit OS and x64 for x64 OS.

Thank you really much for your advice! I am running XP pro (32bit). I will try the new version. If it does the same thing, I will do it the way you described, thanks again.

**kink** · 03-16-2009, 02:12 PM

np. If it doesn't work, you might try to upgrade your C++ Runtime: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

**Meizuman** · 03-16-2009, 02:38 PM

Will keep that in mind too.

Thanks

**Daveburt714** · 03-16-2009, 10:40 PM

kink: If I'm missing something I apologize, I've only been using MsrTweaker for a few days...

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE your software and I appreciate all your work!

Like alot of folks on here though, I am an overclocker and I'm not sure how to shut down the services your program offers.

I may be the only one interested, but I think it would be nice to have an option in the "Services Menu" to shut down MsrTweaker completely, so you could temporarily OC without any potential interference.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still want it to run on reboot, but it would be nice to be able to shut it down when you want to have some OC adventures..

Just a suggestion..

**richierich** · 03-16-2009, 11:04 PM

So will this only work on XP? It doesn't work with Windows 7 apparently.

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