Retail Q9650 Overclocking Thread

[Mysterfix]

mysterfix nice clock with low voltages.damn i got to get me a low vid chip.

Thanks bro, btw low vid chips seem to run hotter than most. I've had several of them lately and they all ran hotter than satan's but crack under load with relatively low voltage. None were ran over 1.36v but they all broke 60ºc during stress testing. And this is with water cooling, apogee gt with an mcr 220 QP.

My ambeint varies from 18ºc-21ºc depending on weather or not the furnace is running.

[radaja]

yes i understand about low vid chips.ive owned a low vid e8400and i have good enough cooling to run it at high clocks.and the thing is i personally dont want to run 1.40 through my chip, i want under 1.40 and still be able to go past 4400 like the other low vid high clockers in this thread.why is everyone trying to keep me from doing this?i know what i want,i just need to get the right chip.

[Mysterfix]

I didn't mean it like that, I was just sharing my insight with you. I'm not trying to steer you away from a low vid chip. Just giving you a heads up incase you didn't know.

[radaja]

yea i know.that last part i was kidding

[andressergio]

Guys

I know it isn't the right thread but anyone knows if TT PSU's have an internal pot to adjust 12V rails ? I've been searching a lot and i can't find anything...

Sorry but i need that help

Cheers
Sergio

[radaja]

not sure about the TT 850W but i think the PcPower&cooling 860W does
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703013

[andressergio]

not sure about the TT 850W but i think the PcPower&cooling 860W does
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703013

thanks radaja but i already own this TT PSU, and i need to know before opening it and void warranty

cheers
Sergio

[radaja]

oh i see. sorry i cant help you on that

[TheGanG]

what do you mean by fancy SS?i want a low vid chip so i can run it at 9x500+ without having to pump it with too much vcore(1.40 to 1.45 is what my 1.25vid chip needsto run above 4400)

I just mean u may be happy with your mid-level-vid CPU. Second and third chips you think to buy should be allways risky too. I personally don't prefer low vids, sorry bro.

[CryptiK]

Guys

I know it isn't the right thread but anyone knows if TT PSU's have an internal pot to adjust 12V rails ? I've been searching a lot and i can't find anything...

Sorry but i need that help

Cheers
Sergio

No they don't have one to my knowledge. It's quite rare in modern PSU design anyway, only a few have that ability.

[Grnfinger]

anyone here have an extra 9650 with low vid that they want to sell?preferably 1.21 or lower

My chip has a vid of 1.15 according to Coretemp and realtemp.
It runs fairly cool and requires 1.32v for 4300MHz, have yet to test anything higher. It does however have 1 stuck sensor, core 1 always reads 10c higher on idle but is right inline on full load with the other 3 cores so it does not bother me.
I might sell it, will make my mind up later this weekend, if everything pans out I'll be moving to i7 Tuesday and will no longer want/require this chip.

PM me if your interested in it.

[mattlyall06]

for the life of me i just cannot get this stable. i get either a bluescreen or a failure of prime/occt about 5-10min in. im using Jor3lBR's template for 4.41ghz

Q9650 489 X 9 4401MHz 

Robust Graphics Booster.........................[ Auto ] 
CPU Clock Ratio.................................[ 9 ] 
Fine CPU Clock Ratio............................[ 0 ] 
CPU Frequency 4.35GHz...........................[ 489 x 9 ]

******Clock Chip Control******

CPU Host Clock Control..........................[ Enabled ] 
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz)........................[ 489 ] 
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz).....................[ 100 ] 
C.I.A 2 [Disabled] 

******Advanced Clock Control******

CPU Clock Drive.................................[ 1000mv ] 
PCI Express Clock Drive.........................[ 1000mv ] 
CPU Clock Skew..................................[ 0ps ] 
MCH Clock Skew..................................[ 50ps ] 

******DRAM Performance Control******

Performance Enhance [Standard] 
Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)....................[ Disabled ] 
(G) MCH Frequency Latch.........................[ 333MHz ] 
System Memory Multipler.........................[ 2.40 ] 
Memory Frequency 1066...........................[ 1174 ] 
DRAM Timing Selectable..........................[ Manual ] 

CAS Latency Time................................[ 5 ] 
tRCD............................................[ 5 ] 
tRP.............................................[ 5 ] 
tRAS............................................[ 15 ] 

******Advanced Timing Control******

tRRD............................................[ Auto ] 
tWTR............................................[ Auto ] 
tWR.............................................[ Auto ] 
tRFC............................................[ 52 ] 
tRTP............................................[ Auto ] 
Command Rate (cmd)..............................[ Auto ] 

******Channel A Timing Settings****** 

Static tRead Value [ 7 ] ................[ 8 ] 
tRD Phase0 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ] 

tRD 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2wr (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ] 
tWR 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 7 ] ................[ Auto ] 
tRD 2wr (Same/Difft Rank) [ 9 ] ................[ Auto ] 

Dimm 1 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ] 
Dimm 2 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ] 
DDR Write Training..............................[ Auto ] 

******Channel A Driving Settings****** 

Drive Strength Profile..........................[ OC-1333 ] 
Data Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ] 
cmd Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ] 
ctrl Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]

Data Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ] 
cmd Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ] 
ctrl Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ] 
clk Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]

******Channel B Timing Settings****** 

Static tRead Value [ 6 ] ................[ 8 ] 
tRD Phase0 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase1 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase2 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ]
tRD Phase3 Adjustment [ 0 ] ................[ Auto ] 

tRD 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ]
tWR 2wr (Differnt Rank) [ 8 ] ................[ Auto ] 
tWR 2rd (Differnt Rank) [ 7 ] ................[ Auto ] 
tRD 2wr (Same/Difft Rank) [ 9 ] ................[ Auto ] 

Dimm 1 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ] 
Dimm 2 Clock Skew Control.......................[ Auto ] 
DDR Write Training..............................[ Auto ] 

******Channel B Driving Settings****** 

Drive Strength Profile..........................[ OC-1333 ] 
Data Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ] 
cmd Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ] 
ctrl Driving Pull Up Level......................[ Auto ]
clk Driving Pull Up Level.......................[ Auto ]

Data Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ] 
cmd Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ] 
ctrl Driving Pull Down Level....................[ Auto ] 
clk Driving Pull Down Level.....................[ Auto ]

******Motherboard Voltage Control******

Load-Line Calibration [Enabled] 
CPU Vcore [ 1.23750 ]...................[ 1.41250 ] 
CPU Termination [ 1.20 ]...................[ 1.40 ]
CPU PLL [ 1.50 ]...................[ 1.570 ]
CPU Reference [ 0.766 ]...................[ 0.871 OR 0.886 ] 

MCH Core [1.1 ]...................[ 1.400 ] 
MCH Reference [0.760 ]...................[ 0.926 ] 
MCH/DRAM Refernce [0.900 ]...................[ 1.150 ] 
ICH I/O [1.500 ]...................[ 1.570 ] 
ICH Core [1.100 ]...................[ 1.200 ] 

DRAM Voltage [1.800 ]...................[ 2.300 ] 
DRAM Termination [0.900 ]...................[ 1.150 ] 
Channel A Ref [0.900 ]...................[ 1.150 ] 
Channel B Ref [0.900 ]...................[ 1.150 ] 

******Advanced BIOS Features******

CPU Multithreading..............................[ Disabled ] 
Limit CPUID Max to 3............................[ Disabled ] 
No-Execute memory Protect.......................[ Disabled ] 
CPU Enhance Halt (CIE)..........................[ Disabled ] 
C2/C2E State Support............................[ Disabled ] 
C4/C4E State Support............................[ Disabled ] 
CPU Thermal Monitor.............................[ Disabled ] 
CPU EIST Function...............................[ Disabled ] 
Virtualization Technology.......................[ Disabled ]

the only things i changed are i set the ram to 1:1 (333mhz strap 2.0 multi) and DRAM voltage to 2.1. the driving strength profiles, channel a & b, should i set those to 1066? i've even gone a notch or two higher Vcore, giving me 1.392 windows and still no go. grrr.... its odd because, i boot into windows in under 30sec, just like i do now @ stable settings, everything seems smooth and groovy. i dont know how to tell if i need more vcore or if its the mch/cpu ref values that need tweaking.

any ideas?

[DemonEyez]

I've had similar problems today with my new Q9650 E0 (L844B703). I had same symptoms a you have. Windows seems stable and all.
I just finished 5 hours priming small fft's with Prime95 at 4300Mhz (9x478) @ 1.344v and 1.31 vTT. I decided to run the Blend test for futher stability testing.
To my surprise it crapped out on me after only 5 seconds.
I've been spending all afternoon trying to get it stable. First I thought it was the ram (I have 4x1024 OC Flex PC9600 installed) but even with running a 1:1 divider and PL of 10 Prime still errord after 5 second s of blend. As it turns out, it was the chipset. After upping vNB from 1.39v to 1.47v and changing NB GTL Ref from .63x to .67x my problems seem to be solved. (still in the proces of Blend testing at the moment)

[nick2crete]

I think that Linpack does the right work fast..
BTW today i got my q9650 as well.. L826A974 pack date:01/28/09..vid 1.25...looks promising

[Jor3lBR]

for the life of me i just cannot get this stable. i get either a bluescreen or a failure of prime/occt about 5-10min in. im using Jor3lBR's template for 4.41ghz


the only things i changed are i set the ram to 1:1 (333mhz strap 2.0 multi) and DRAM voltage to 2.1. the driving strength profiles, channel a & b, should i set those to 1066? i've even gone a notch or two higher Vcore, giving me 1.392 windows and still no go. grrr.... its odd because, i boot into windows in under 30sec, just like i do now @ stable settings, everything seems smooth and groovy. i dont know how to tell if i need more vcore or if its the mch/cpu ref values that need tweaking.

any ideas?

Thats an old template I posted. Today you can use 1.30vtt for those speeds.

The problem is thats not magic, you wont be able to use it for your cpu like that. First you need to find YOUR cpu sweetspots (CPU Ref and MCH Ref) that are different then mine.

Also I would suggest starting with less ambition. Try 8 x 500 first, memtest #7 and then go to prime small, prime large, ibt.

Until you get the MCH and CPU ref for your cpu you will get a hole lot of instability.

[iluv2fly]

I can only get my q9650 100% stable at 4050mhz. I have a high vid of 1.262. I honestly don't think that the VID and the CPU is the problem.

I think I'm Stuck inbetwen MB dividers and my memory is not fast enough to step up to the next functional divider for my Motherboard!

I unfortunately bought OCZ (2x2GB) DDR3 Reaper 1333 9-9-9-20. My OCZ Reaper will not overclock anything above rated so I'm stuck with that speed.

My theory is that the Memory is ruining all my fun. My problem is that I can not find a divider that works well with my DDR3 at the slow speed that it can produce.

To test my theory I bought faster Memory of a different brand. I have not yet received it yet. But as soon as I get it I hope to prove that a poor overclocking Q9650 will do great with faster memory. Just because with a faster memory you are more likely to find a working MB divider.

If someone with knowledge can shed some light on the whole MB divider issue it would be appreciated.

In my past experience the CPU will open up full throttle when the memory speed or the MB divider is not limiting it.

You are most likely now thinking duh,,, that is a given. Of course it is, but we don't know what works from the beginning. Someone has to find the right settings!

Look at the Guys who do have great clocks on their Cpu's. They are certainly not memory speed limited! So they can use any divider they want!!!

I wish we could try to figure out what dividers work for different memory speeds like:

(PC3 8500)
(PC3 10666)
(PC3 12800)
(PC3 14400)
(PC3 15000)
(PC3 16000)

(PC2 to of cource)

That way all of us would know what kind of cpu performance to expect from a certain memory speed. Not the advertised memory speed but the actual memory speed. Since some memory overclocks quit well.

If you have a memory that can only do 13330 as fastest then expect 4ghz

if you have a memory that can only do 14400 as fastest then expect 4,4ghz with the memory divider that is possible use and so on.....

If we did. Then a guy with PC3 13333 would stop chasing the magical 5ghz

Maybe I'm all confused about this but....... In the past when I have been stuck at a certain overclock and later got my hands on faster memory and seen the results...... It just make me think!!!!

Extremsys Gurus,,, Shed some light on this!

[iluv2fly]

Prove me Wrong or Right!

[Jor3lBR]

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If we did. Then a guy with PC3 13333 would stop chasing the magical 5ghz

Maybe I'm all confused about this but....... In the past when I have been stuck at a certain overclock and later got my hands on faster memory and seen the results...... It just make me think!!!!

Extremsys Gurus,,, Shed some light on this!

I hear ya my friend. Problem is there is nobody hitting 5Ghz with a Quad using DDR3!

That's where I can't help you out. The P45 Chipset was not made to OC DDR3 and Quads. It's an Epic Fail

That is a fact. I would get the DDR2 version to play with a Q9650 or move on to DDR3 and i7.

[iluv2fly]

If you are correct then I just waisted the money I spent on faster memory. If I'm right then you learned something new

[Jor3lBR]

If you are correct then I just waisted the money I spent on faster memory. If I'm right then you learned something new

I dont think you waisted money as you can always return it.

You will indeed achieve a better OC with faster RAM, all I said is that the combo P45/DDR3/Q9650 wont be stable at the speeds you were talking about 4500-4700.

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[Sparda]

Nonsense. 5Ghz + DDR3 can be done if you are serious enough to do it. I did this half a$$es on water. http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=494446
iluv2fly first of all you need to ditch the P5Q3 and take EP45T-Extreme. Then again if it just for validation and not 24/7 probably just a waste of $$.

[Jor3lBR]

Nonsense. 5Ghz + DDR3 can be done if you are serious enough to do it. I did this half a$$es on water. http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=494446
iluv2fly first of all you need to ditch the P5Q3 and take EP45T-Extreme. Then again if it just for validation and not 24/7 probably just a waste of $$.

He said stable and on Asus Sparda...

[iluv2fly]

He said stable and on Asus Sparda...

That is funny you are obviously not an Asus fan and I would not argue against that.

But the point is that I do believe that the memory dividers play a big role in how the overclock is going to go regardless of brand.

[Sparda]

He said stable and on Asus Sparda...

My post refer about oc quad and ddr3 on p45 = fail ..

That is funny you are obviously not an Asus fan and I would not argue against that.

But the point is that I do believe that the memory dividers play a big role in how the overclock is going to go regardless of brand.

Yeah obviosly not a fan to any. Take whatever that works. You are not limited to ram yet again you have some problem doing 4 ghz+ stable on Q9650. It has something to do with the board , no ?

[iluv2fly]

My post refer about oc quad and ddr3 on p45 = fail ..



Yeah obviosly not a fan to any. Take whatever that works. You are not limited to ram yet again you have some problem doing 4 ghz+ stable on Q9650. It has something to do with the board , no ?

It could be the board. I guess we will find out when I get my new memory.